uofihawkInation
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Head to head Painter has more wins than McCaffery, but it seems McC has done much more with much less than Painter. So is McC the better coach? Or is Iowa just closer to Purdue's level than we think?
Is McCaffery a better coach than Painter?
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Not sure, but Painter brought back in LewJack in the first half with two fouls and PU went on a run. Also, PU made better halftime adjustments and took it to Iowa the first few minutes of the 2nd half.
uofihawkInation
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Thats what I thought too. McCaffery's teams always seem to come out slow after half and burn a timeout. Painter is a good coach and knows how to make changes. Hopefully Iowa can get their number in the next coming seasons.
I don't think their sluggishness in the 2nd half had to do with Fran's ability or inability to coach or anything like that. I think this one was on the players and I think they would probably say that as well.
We shot ourselves in the foot with our inability to make our FTs and it cost us. I don't know the exact stats, but we only shot like 66% from the FT line. Purdue made their FTs and dominated the boards with offensive rebounds. It is tough to beat a team when they are getting that many second chance opportunities and making their FTs when they needed to.
You have to make the easy ones if you are going to beat good teams... Especially in a game like this one.
If my memory serves me correctly, Memphis had a really talented/athletic group of players that could play with anyone, but really struggled with their FTs and it cost them. I may be wrong, because this was a few years ago now.
Bottom line is... Fran can tell them to rebound and he can have them practice their FTs, but he isn't the one responsible for finding a man and boxing him out and he isn't the one shooting the FTs. I think this game was ours to lose and we just did not execute and did not do what needed to be done.
I suppose you could argue that Painter did a better job of motivating/firing his team up coming out of the locker room at half, but from what I've seen... If Fran can't get you fired up... I'm not sure what/who could.
I think there are things Fran could have maybe done differently with the amount of minutes some people received compared to others, but I'm pretty confident that Fran knows a lot more about basketball and is way better qualified to make the right decisions than I am in every aspect of the game.
I certainly don't think Fran was out-coached in any way, shape, or form by Painter tonight.
We shot ourselves in the foot with our inability to make our FTs and it cost us. I don't know the exact stats, but we only shot like 66% from the FT line. Purdue made their FTs and dominated the boards with offensive rebounds. It is tough to beat a team when they are getting that many second chance opportunities and making their FTs when they needed to.
You have to make the easy ones if you are going to beat good teams... Especially in a game like this one.
If my memory serves me correctly, Memphis had a really talented/athletic group of players that could play with anyone, but really struggled with their FTs and it cost them. I may be wrong, because this was a few years ago now.
Bottom line is... Fran can tell them to rebound and he can have them practice their FTs, but he isn't the one responsible for finding a man and boxing him out and he isn't the one shooting the FTs. I think this game was ours to lose and we just did not execute and did not do what needed to be done.
I suppose you could argue that Painter did a better job of motivating/firing his team up coming out of the locker room at half, but from what I've seen... If Fran can't get you fired up... I'm not sure what/who could.
I think there are things Fran could have maybe done differently with the amount of minutes some people received compared to others, but I'm pretty confident that Fran knows a lot more about basketball and is way better qualified to make the right decisions than I am in every aspect of the game.
I certainly don't think Fran was out-coached in any way, shape, or form by Painter tonight.
Hawkeye11en1
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Our inability to stop penetration in the 2nd half was more than frustrating. Especially in the zone. But when we were in man and we hedged off the pick & roll we would have them stuck but they would get lazy when switching back. It happened numerous times in the 2nd half. Some along the baseline as well which ended up in easy buckets.
Also we would have a man doubled with 4-5 seconds left on the shot clock and we'd give him free reign to drive down the lane. So frustrating.
Also we would have a man doubled with 4-5 seconds left on the shot clock and we'd give him free reign to drive down the lane. So frustrating.
atomicblue224
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painter didnt throw or slam the chair
GhostofBTT
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No, he's not. Painter's accomplishments speak for themselves.
goldenhawk96
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You can't compare the two. The easy answer is to simply give Painter the nod based on prior accomplishments within the B1G. However, what Fran has done on the quote-unquote fringes of D1 basketball is impressive as well.
To say Fran's teams don't come out well in the 2nd half is way off. In the Wisconsin game that happened, but you can go back just 1 game to Michigan for evidence of the opposite: Iowa comes out and run a fantastic little set for Marble to post Burke for a score.
The beginning of last night was not on the coaches. Rewatch the first minute of the 2nd half. Smith hits an off balance, NBA distance 3 as the shot clock is about to expire. On the other end, Iowa gets a lay up (McCabe miss), a WIDE OPEN 3 (McCabe miss I believe) and a WIDE OPEN FINGER ROLL (of course, Eric May).
We had a our chances early that 2nd half.
To say Fran's teams don't come out well in the 2nd half is way off. In the Wisconsin game that happened, but you can go back just 1 game to Michigan for evidence of the opposite: Iowa comes out and run a fantastic little set for Marble to post Burke for a score.
The beginning of last night was not on the coaches. Rewatch the first minute of the 2nd half. Smith hits an off balance, NBA distance 3 as the shot clock is about to expire. On the other end, Iowa gets a lay up (McCabe miss), a WIDE OPEN 3 (McCabe miss I believe) and a WIDE OPEN FINGER ROLL (of course, Eric May).
We had a our chances early that 2nd half.
FalseMirage
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He wasn't down 40.
tm3308
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His accomplishments have a lot to do with the Moore/Hummel/Johnson recruiting class. He's certainly not a bad coach, but talent can also mask a lot of deficiencies.
I'm not saying McCaffery is better. Just saying.
GhostofBTT
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Yeah, but you are saying. I guess Moore, Johnson, and Hummel recruited themselves then?
tm3308
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I think Painter is better at this point. But less than stellar coaches can win if they recruit well enough (see: George Raveling, Rick Barnes, etc.). All I'm saying is that his accomplishments are not proof of the fact that he's better, it's just a byproduct.
Hawkeye11en1
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College basketball has almost everything to do with recruiting.
GhostofBTT
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So let me get this straight, when comparing coaches, it is not accurate to use their accomplishments as a factor?
tm3308
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It's not the only factor. Larry Coker won a lot of games as the coach at Miami, and he was nowhere near being a good coach. Sports history is littered with such coaches. Wins/accomplishments do matter, but it's not the only factor worth considering.
GhostofBTT
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Well, even if we ignore that your example is really bad, I'll accept your premise. You can't just use accomplishments to compare coaches.
Painter is still better than Fran.
tm3308
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Which I've never denied.
And I know Coker's not the best example here. He's just my favorite choice when it comes to coaches who only win because of their roster's talent level.
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