Is McCaffery a better coach than Painter?

[GhostofBTT]

Only problem here is Lickliter's teams got to play 18 conference games per year and Keady was coaching a 16 game conference schedule.

Fair enough. I am not trying to argue that Keady left the program worse off than Lickliter, but just providing some context to the relative health of the programs. My main point, Purdue was not a good team when Keady left, still stands.

 

[atomicblue224]

Ill bet the farm that if fran gets us back to the tourney and we have a couple down years the fanbase will turn on fran like they have turned on kirk.

you`ll never know but right now im enjoying hawkeye basketball and his wild bull pumfus bodyslamming ways!

 

[herbyhawk]

lick won COY the year too and see where that got him

 

[1hawkeye1]

Hmmmm......Is Fran a better coach than painter? I will say yes. Only because I've never seen any of Fran's paintings.

 

[herbyhawk]

Purdue has 2 4* recruits both from the state of indiana, 2 3* recruits 1 from Indiana
i still stand by my claim that he has more to work with in his backyard.
than Fran does, and you have to look at the total body of work to get a actual opinion on a coach as to how good he is.
also Butler had their time in the sun, they are nowhere to be seen in the ranking in spite of their 2 final 4's
and your mighty Painters Purdue is not in the top 25 nor getting any votes. if he is so great what happened to the top 25.
great coaches keep teams in the top 25

 

[GhostofBTT]

Purdue has 2 4* recruits both from the state of indiana, 2 3* recruits 1 from Indiana
i still stand by my claim that he has more to work with in his backyard.
than Fran does, and you have to look at the total body of work to get a actual opinion on a coach as to how good he is.
also Butler had their time in the sun, they are nowhere to be seen in the ranking in spite of their 2 final 4's
and your mighty Painters Purdue is not in the top 25 nor getting any votes. if he is so great what happened to the top 25.
great coaches keep teams in the top 25

God, this is such a stupid argument. I started typing out a response, but got so tired writing the obvious, that I just deleted it all, and will instead devote that energy to making fun of Herby.

Herby, you know almost nothing about basketball. Every time you post, people feel sorry for you. You are embarrassing yourself and you need to stop. I take no pleasure in writing this, but I think you need to hear the truth for your own good.

 

[rdbrett]

The answer is no, not at this time. One just need to watch the defensive end of the floor to see this. Defense probably won ever be our strong point, but it needs continued improvement.
I guess if Creighton's kids can play excellent D, why cany we? It has to be an emphasis, and taught. Offense is sexy and gets everyone fired up....which is Frans approach. Mix in some defense for 4 quarters and I'm on board....you can actually do both!

 

[herbyhawk]

you are losing the arguement Ghost and you won't admit it, and i am waiting for a name of another coach that is about to do whart Fran as done at other schools that were down. oh snap you can't because there isn't one, get off your high opinion of yourself,
and STFU till you come up with a name of a coach that has done what Fran has,
after 6-7 years at Iowa i will gladly compare records of the 2
also I repeat Lick was named COY and he proved to be a complete failure at Iowa
so your COY comment is tacky at best

 

[bcl20]

The answer is no, not at this time. One just need to watch the defensive end of the floor to see this. Defense probably won ever be our strong point, but it needs continued improvement.
I guess if Creighton's kids can play excellent D, why cany we? It has to be an emphasis, and taught. Offense is sexy and gets everyone fired up....which is Frans approach. Mix in some defense for 4 quarters and I'm on board....you can actually do both!

The best teams are good at defense and offense.

 

[bcl20]

you are losing the arguement Ghost and you won't admit it, and i am waiting for a name of another coach that is about to do whart Fran as done at other schools that were down. oh snap you can't because there isn't one, get off your high opinion of yourself,
and STFU till you come up with a name of a coach that has done what Fran has,
after 6-7 years at Iowa i will gladly compare records of the 2
also I repeat Lick was named COY and he proved to be a complete failure at Iowa
so your COY comment is tacky at best

I don't really understand your argument? Is it that Painter isn't a good coach or is it that he is overrated? I'm confused.

 

[bcl20]

Oh, and my answer to this question is that it's too early in his tenure at Iowa to tell. Painter is a very good coach though.

 

[GhostofBTT]

you are losing the arguement Ghost and you won't admit it, and i am waiting for a name of another coach that is about to do whart Fran as done at other schools that were down. oh snap you can't because there isn't one, get off your high opinion of yourself,
and STFU till you come up with a name of a coach that has done what Fran has,
after 6-7 years at Iowa i will gladly compare records of the 2
also I repeat Lick was named COY and he proved to be a complete failure at Iowa
so your COY comment is tacky at best

Lost the argument? There is no argument Herby. You are not arguing with anything.

I didn't say he was named COY, I said he was named Big 10 coach of the year 3 times in 7 seasons you dolt. You don't back your way into that.

And really, you think Fran is the only coach to rehabilitate 2 programs and take them into the tournament? You want me to give you the name of a coach who has done what Fran has done?!? What other coach has done that? I don't know, Thad Matta did (Butler and Xavier), John Beilein did (Richmond and West Virginia), Tubby Smith did (Tulsa and Georgia). That's just off the top of my head.

Honestly, are you this dense, or are you just conning us with a long troll?

 

[herbyhawk]

i am just stating that to make a claim one coach is better than another is stupid, if you can't let 1 coach have the same amount of time to judge if he good or not
you refuse to acknowledge what fran has done at his other schools . and want to base this comparison on his "WHAT" 51 games at Iowa just shows how big a idiot people are. and part of my arguement is that Painter has more Local talent to pick from than Fran does and Ghost is a bigger idiot than antbody as he refuse to aknowlege that a 11 4* recruit in Indiana to 2 4* in Iowa is not a advantage
and i know all about the schools in Indiana, Indiana was and will be the Top dog in that state, Purdue is to Indiana as ISU is to Iowa, Butler and Indiana St are Indiana's UNI,
IPFWU and the others are the Drakes, ND is a national draw and get a lot of kids from all over
as i pointed out Purdue shares the Talent with Indiana and will start to play 2nd fiddle in Indiana. with the success of ISU the top tier talent will be split with them and Iowa does not come close to getting the #'s of 4* talent produced in Iowa

 

[sportstalent]

Yes, Fran is the better coach. People can point to Painters success and say it is not close. This Purdue team is the first without Johnson/Moore, yeah Hummel is still there, but he isn't the same all the time.
Purdue has a solid class coming in next year and LewJack and Hummel will both be gone, their two best players. My projection for Purdue moving forward is middle of the pack BIG for the next few seasons. Herby does have one valid argument with Indiana not being that good during Painter's tenure is correct. Indiana is destroying Purdue in recruiting now that they are better again. DePaul is going to hurt Purdue as they are focused on Chicago and play in the Big East, everyone's favorite for best conference. Illinois is hurting Purdue's recruiting in the Chicago area.

Iowa is recruiting new areas, staying home and getting better players, pretty difficult for a coach in Fran's situation given the mass defections from Iowa in general for a few years.
Fran has done a lot with a little this season, he really has seven viable players on the roster this year and a few others that play. Winning on the road where Iowa has this season shouldn't happen, it rarely does when Iowa is good let alone a struggling team.
Give Fran a full roster and continuing to find players like White and all the accolades will be comin is way as well. Iowa goes to the NCAA tournament next year.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Love it Herby. You cannot dispute a single on of my claims, so you just move the goal posts and start to argue something else. You do realize everyone is laughing at you right?

No one has refused to acknowledge what Fran has done at other schools. I just think what he did at other schools is less impressive than what Painter did in the Big 10.

You want to build Fran up to be some kind of a legendary coach because of what he did at Sienna and UNCG. However, just yesterday, you were dumping on mid-major coaches. Remember that? Let me refresh your memory:

ust a thought, [Jacobson and McDermott] are good coaches at mid to lower level colleges, not at the level of a BT or B12 school, not a knock against UNI or Creighton, but lets admit it they do not face the same level of competion every game in conference play,
to my thinking having to get up for 2-3 games is easier to do than to do it 14-18 times a season

So which is it Herby? Is it more impressive to rebuild a team in the Big 10, or in the MAAC? Yesterday's Herby said one thing, but today's Herby says another. I wonder which one will win out.


And oh yeah, you just got Ghost Pwn'd.

 

[herbyhawk]

my response on McDermott stands he did fine at UNI, at ISU he did not, at Clemson he is doing there what he did at UNI, again you are trying to back up your claim by using these retorts,
Fran has yet to finish his 2nd year at a BT school and you try to portray Painter as the better coach without letting Fran have the same # of years, and refuse that Painter had more and better players instate than Fran does.
your basis for this comparison is so full of holes that if you compare it to the # of holes in Swiss cheese, it makes the swiss cheese look solid
so keep telling yourself that Painter is the better coach, who knows someday somebody will agree with you,
and am not talking about the fellow idoits that say anything negative to every post i make