AZHAWKFAN1
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Give Fran five years to recruit his players then compare the two. I'll take my chances with coach McCaffery!
Is McCaffery a better coach than Painter?
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GhostofBTT
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Painter has 3 big 10 coach of the year awards, a Big 10 title, and 4 straight 25 win seasons.
His rebuilding job at Purdue is as impressive as any in Big 10 history. In Keady's last season, Purdue went 7-21 (3-13). For perspective, Lickliter was 10-22 his last season. In Painter's second season, Purdue went 22-12. If Iowa wins out, Fran can match Painter's second season.
Painter is the real freaking deal. I'd take him over Fran, no questions asked.
Hawkeye11en1
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Where was Painter before Purdue?
GhostofBTT
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If memory serves me correct, he took over SIU after Bruce Weber went to Illannoy.
you win with better recruits, Painter has a much deeper pool of instate recruits to get his players from
Iowa produced 2 top 100 players this year
Indiana has 11, 2 in the Top 25
this has been the way it has been for years, when Iowa starts to produce 5-6 top 100 players, Iowa will no longer have to go coast to coast to recruit
comparing the 2 coaches at this tim is crazy unless you want to take into account what he did at Sienna into the discussion and take into account the talent on each coaches team.
to me Fran is as good or better than Painter, also he took over a program for Keady and just maintained the status of a team that is used to being in the upper half of the BT
Fran basically has to start from scratch at Iowa, then you take into account nobody in their right mind should have expected Iowa in year 2 to be in the bid dance let alone of being in the discussion as a bubble team
Iowa produced 2 top 100 players this year
Indiana has 11, 2 in the Top 25
this has been the way it has been for years, when Iowa starts to produce 5-6 top 100 players, Iowa will no longer have to go coast to coast to recruit
comparing the 2 coaches at this tim is crazy unless you want to take into account what he did at Sienna into the discussion and take into account the talent on each coaches team.
to me Fran is as good or better than Painter, also he took over a program for Keady and just maintained the status of a team that is used to being in the upper half of the BT
Fran basically has to start from scratch at Iowa, then you take into account nobody in their right mind should have expected Iowa in year 2 to be in the bid dance let alone of being in the discussion as a bubble team
LG210
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Hard to compare given Fran's limited time in IC.
Another poster pointed out that Purdue made better half-time adjustments, which they did, but that may be, at least in part, a function of having a more versatile squad.
This much I know: Fran is squeezing every last drop of juice out of his orange...
Another poster pointed out that Purdue made better half-time adjustments, which they did, but that may be, at least in part, a function of having a more versatile squad.
This much I know: Fran is squeezing every last drop of juice out of his orange...
GhostofBTT
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Like I said before, Painter took over a 7 win team. He did not "maintain the status" of Purdue. He took a horrible team and made it great.
You can take what Fran did at Sienna into account too, Painter's rebuilding job at Purdue is more impressive. In 8 years of coaching, Painter has won his conferences' COTY award 4 times.
Section136
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You also have to take into account that Purdue has to go against Indiana, Notre Dame and Butler for in-state recruits. They also have Ohio State and Kentucky just one state away. Purdue is not an easy place to recruit elite talent to.
GhostofBTT
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Iowa has 4 division one basketball programs, and Indiana has 10.
hawkforlife9
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Painter is better. Fran lost the team during 2nd half. He did turn red a few times, but that has gotten old. He needs to throw things to get their attention at this point in the season. At some point, during a close game he needs to flip the scorers table to clench the win.
painter did not have Indiana at there best to recruit against, ND occasionally has a good but not great BB team, Butler had a couple years in the sun, and to say 1 bad year for Purdue is in the same boat that Fran has here. what a joke, then you have the east Chicago area and Indiana to recruit from, with you saying Indiana has 5 school maybe but at 11 top 100 recruits that makes 2 for each school to get and with UNC and Kansa coming in to cherry pick top talent in the state of Iowa that doesn't leave Iowa much to choose from.
lets see how Painter fair with Indiana starting to cherry pick the Indiana schools.
again Painter had his success at a school that had more talent at his disposal tha Fran did, and he did it when Indiana was going thru its worst stretch in history.
so stop micro managing the 1 bad year as having to rebuild a team
lets see how Painter fair with Indiana starting to cherry pick the Indiana schools.
again Painter had his success at a school that had more talent at his disposal tha Fran did, and he did it when Indiana was going thru its worst stretch in history.
so stop micro managing the 1 bad year as having to rebuild a team
racerhawk
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I tend to agree. I think Fran is a very good coach, and his players really compete. I'm excited to see more talent coming into the program. I think talent really, really shows up in basketball. Of course, it does in any sport, but just a few really talented guys can make a world of difference.
Section136
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A few nutjobs on this board does not equal the "fanbase".
GhostofBTT
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Herby, I know you never know what you're talking about, but c'mon man, this is weak sauce.
Purdue did not have "1 bad year". Keady won 32 Big 10 games in his last 5 seasons (for a robust average of 6 Big 10 wins per year, comapred to Lickliter's 5 Big 10 wins per year average). Painter won 9 games his first season as coach, and then averaged 25 wins per year after that.
Also, I like how you glibly say Butler had "a few years in the sun"...as in back to back championship games? The past two years? Yeah, they have no competition in Indiana with IU down. It's not like ND has been a top 25 team the past five years either. Nope, Purdue has had Indiana all to themselves. All Painter has to do is open the door and fight off recruits with a stick.
U GOT GHOST PWN'D
atomicblue224
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oh okay that explains it, i`m one of the nutjobs and i don`t equal any fanbase?i respect your opinion. i get it no deaf man deserves to be mentioned on this board. its okay...i know youre one of the nutcases someone warned me about . hahahahah have a good day sir 
GhostofBTT
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oh okay that explains it, i`m one of the nutjobs and i don`t equal any fanbase?i respect your opinion. i get it no deaf man deserves to be mentioned on this board. its okay...i know youre one of the nutcases someone warned me about . hahahahah have a good day sir
I don't know whose alt this is, but I am loving the hell out of it. 1000 times better than 2StarStan.
all i am saying his that Painter has more Top 100 TALENT IN HIS bACKYARD than Fran does and yeah Painter got those accolades when Indiana who is considered the top team in the State of Indiana was down, we shall see how Painter doe from here on out with Indiana on the way back up, if he maintain the same success with Indiana getting the Top instate talent i will be inclined to say Painter is doing something special, but to put Fran down without giving him more than 1 and 2/3 season without looking at his whole body of work is foolish,
Fran took over at 3 schools that were down and got them into the dance and none of them had the status of Purdue, and Gene Keady didn't run it to the ground like you are making it out to be. now if you can name a coach that is about to take his fourth team out of the dumps and turn it into a tourney team i would love to know who it is.
then talk to me about how great Painter is in comparison
Fran took over at 3 schools that were down and got them into the dance and none of them had the status of Purdue, and Gene Keady didn't run it to the ground like you are making it out to be. now if you can name a coach that is about to take his fourth team out of the dumps and turn it into a tourney team i would love to know who it is.
then talk to me about how great Painter is in comparison
Section136
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Only problem here is Lickliter's teams got to play 18 conference games per year and Keady was coaching a 16 game conference schedule.
GhostofBTT
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Many points to address here:
First and foremost, I am not putting Fran down. I never came close to putting him down. I said Painter is a better coach. He has a great record, he has several COTY awards, and he rebuilt a good program that was down. None of that reflects poorly on Fran.
Two, the IU was down argument does not hold water. Yeah, IU was down, but there was still plenty of instate competition for recruits, including Notre Dame (made 4 of the last 5 tourneys), and Butler. In addition, Crean has been recruiting very well the past three years despite their record, and PU has continued to be successful.
Three, yes, Purdue was down when Painter took over. Not as down as Iowa was, but like I said before, they were averaging 6 B1G wins a year in Keady's last 5 years. I am not making the end of the Keady years out to be anything; Facts are facts. Much like Hayden's last few years, the program ran out of momentum and finished in last place. You can't look at Keady's last 5 years and Painters last five years and come to any objective conclusion besides HE TURNED THE PROGRAM AROUND!
And forth, yes, Fran turned 2 programs around into tournament teams (not the 3 you claimed). Still, he had his success at mid-majors, while Painter turned around a Big 10 team. Purdue> Sienna and UNCG.
