Is JO is done?

HawkeyeMike23 said:
Maybe we should get some real assistant coaches instead of wannabe mathematicians like Sparew seems to be.
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There have been some bad knee jerk reaction posts this morning but this may be the worst. The guy figures out how to make the offense work. We get 2 big wins. Now we should dump the concept and the coach because the team makes a bunch of lazy passes against one of the top "steals" teams in the country. You need to rethink this one.
 
WindsorHawk said:
There have been some bad knee jerk reaction posts this morning but this may be the worst. The guy figures out how to make the offense work. We get 2 big wins. Now we should dump the concept and the coach because the team makes a bunch of lazy passes against one of the top "steals" teams in the country. You need to rethink this one.
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Think the offense worked last night? Call me crazy but I don't.
 
PCHawk said:
I think this should definitely be the general rule. Exceptions to the rule should be when Jok or Uthoff are wide open for 3 (not long 2's) before 3 passes.
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Can't agree more. I would imagine the numbers would greatly favor a 3 than a 2 just inside of the arc. Back to JO, he seems to be able to hit the 2 and likes to take a bunch of them(which drives me insane). If he would do the fake and dribble to a side he'd have a nice open 3 instead he fakes and takes a dribble towards the basket for a deep 2. JO does still help on offense because defenses respect the times he has gone off from downtown. You don't have to put up a lot of points to be an asset on offense (assists/rebounds or spreading the floor like JO), but I think we'd like to at least see him try because he could get into a groove and really help the team. As it is, does it matter if JO is 0/5 from the field or 0/0 are the numbers that much worse than our other options?
 
tm3308 said:
Reading comprehension not a strong suit for you? Troll.
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I don't think you post over here enough anymore.....you are very Clownized. Mike23 isn't a troll, and JD isn't going to be closing down a thread. The real troll around here these days is Fairfax who I'm 99% sure is UNIguy4CY on Clownfantasies
 
WindsorHawk said:
I find myself wanting both of them to shoot more open 3s as well. But I'm a numbers guy and over 70% is going to get it done night in and night out. That open 3 should still be there after 2 or 3 passes if a layup or dunk doesn't materialize. Last night the passing was bad so it naturally seems like a quick open shot made sense...in hind sight. I still think running the offense is the better option.

Note that transition plays and set plays are not included. So a wide open 3 in transition or on a set play is an entirely different story.
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I think the few minutes that killed us last night was we took 5 quick long 2's in a short period of time. 2 by Uhl, 1 by Gesell, 1 by Jok, and 1 by White. Other than Jok's, those are the worst shots we can take and they hey were all in a short time frame. Gesell, White, and Uhl should almost never take a long 2 at the beginning of the shot clock. I think Jok's miss being lumped in with those other terrible shots made him gun shy.

I assume Fran got into them, and rightfully so, for their shot selection. If i were him i pull Jok aside and tell him that none of what i just said pretains to him.
 
PCHawk said:
I think the few minutes that killed us last night was we took 5 quick long 2's in a short period of time. 2 by Uhl, 1 by Gesell, 1 by Jok, and 1 by White. Other than Jok's, those are the worst shots we can take and they hey were all in a short time frame. Gesell, White, and Uhl should almost never take a long 2 at the beginning of the shot clock. I think Jok's miss being lumped in with those other terrible shots made him gun shy.

I assume Fran got into them, and rightfully so, for their shot selection. If i were him i pull Jok aside and tell him that none of what i just said pretains to him.
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So basically quick shooting long 2's is a bad thing???? I wonder what poster has been b!tching about this very thing this whole season now........
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
LOL I'm a troll because I don't think our offense was good last night? OK, next thing you'll be telling me is how good MG was last night.
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You've gone to an over-the-top negative position and stick to it consistently just to get reactions. Nowhere in that post did the guy say the offense worked last night. He said guys made lazy passes against one of the best teams in the country and getting steals, as opposed to crisp and decisive passes (which they were making in the two previous games). Gesell didn't play well last night, but he's not terrible, either (although you certainly seem to think otherwise).
 
deanvogs said:
I don't think you post over here enough anymore.....you are very Clownized. Mike23 isn't a troll, and JD isn't going to be closing down a thread. The real troll around here these days is Fairfax who I'm 99% sure is UNIguy4CY on Clownfantasies
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When said thread is starting a rumor that maybe JO was hungover/had a long night at the casino the night before a game that he missed due to illness, I'll hardly be shocked if that thread is gone before long. There's no evidence to support such a theory, but it can easily spread like wildfire on message boards (see the "______ was ******* ______'s girlfriend" theories that crop up every so often when a team is struggling).
 
deanvogs said:
So basically quick shooting long 2's is a bad thing???? I wonder what poster has been b!tching about this very thing this whole season now........
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I remember 1 poster b!thcing about shooting long 2's but i cant think of anyone b!tching about quick shooting long 2's. :)
 
tm3308 said:
You've gone to an over-the-top negative position and stick to it consistently just to get reactions. Nowhere in that post did the guy say the offense worked last night. He said guys made lazy passes against one of the best teams in the country and getting steals, as opposed to crisp and decisive passes (which they were making in the two previous games). Gesell didn't play well last night, but he's not terrible, either (although you certainly seem to think otherwise).
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It's not to get reactions. The board here sucks, it's so overwhelmingly negative. I'm about done with it, there's like 8 good posters on here. I've been incredibly, over the top negative since midway through the game and more people agree with me than call me out. There's no point in trying to have a real thread on here because it just turns into people bashing everyone related to the program. Just wanted to try being on the other side of it for a while. Minnesota isn't that bad of a team at all, they just had a ton of close losses, I'm not shocked at all nor do I think it's the beginning of another collapse. This team isn't going to consistently look good every night, there are very few college teams that do, and those teams are in the top 10.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
It's not to get reactions. The board here sucks, it's so overwhelmingly negative. I'm about done with it, there's like 8 good posters on here. I've been incredibly, over the top negative since midway through the game and more people agree with me than call me out. There's no point in trying to have a real thread on here because it just turns into people bashing everyone related to the program. Just wanted to try being on the other side of it for a while. Minnesota isn't that bad of a team at all, they just had a ton of close losses, I'm not shocked at all nor do I think it's the beginning of another collapse. This team isn't going to consistently look good every night, there are very few college teams that do, and those teams are in the top 10.
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I could tell that's what you were doing. The 1 thing I've never known for sure with you is your real opinion on Gesell. You are more extreme with him then maybe he deserves but it's close so i can't tell for sure. I'm pretty sure you mean what you say with him but I'm not 100 %.
 
WindsorHawk said:
This is from the DSM Register article.


In the midst of a three-game losing streak, which started with a 32-point loss at Wisconsin when the Hawkeyes were a textbook case of inefficiency, assistant coach Kirk Speraw crunched some numbers in an attempt to improve the offense. He broke down all of Iowa's Big Ten games to that point of the season.

Possessions where Iowa scored in transition, or ran set plays, weren't included. Only those in the motion offense were charted. Iowa was scoring on just 29 percent of the possessions in which it made zero to two passes. But they scored on approximately 65 percent of the possessions in which three or more passes were made. And when the ball moved from wing to wing, the success rate grew to the mid-70s.


But this won't work if we're making lazy passes like last night. Stick to this and make good crisp passes and we'll be fine.
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Who does the bold above sound like? Yep, Wisconsin. Just sayin'.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Maybe we should get some real assistant coaches instead of wannabe mathematicians like Sparew seems to be. We passed the ball a lot last night and it didn't work, I don't need numbers to see that, just the ol' eye test tells you that.
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You can't appreciate that fact that an assistant coach wanted to break the games down to figure out what the heck was going on and what could be done to increase the chance to succeed. Geez. He's one of the most respected assistant coaches out there. He has head coaching experience.


Thumb's down to you, sir.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Think the offense worked last night? Call me crazy but I don't.
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The fact that you think Iowa's going to win EVERY game and that your are butthurt when they don't is hilarious. Look, after the 3 game losing streak the coach analyzed the game & they won two big games after that but took an L last night.

They are 2-1 after he analyzed the games.
 
PCHawk said:
I could tell that's what you were doing. The 1 thing I've never known for sure with you is your real opinion on Gesell. You are more extreme with him then maybe he deserves but it's close so i can't tell for sure. I'm pretty sure you mean what you say with him but I'm not 100 %.
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I think he's an average starting B10 starting pg, by far the best option we currently have. I am overly negative about him because I think the argument that some posters on here made Marble was holding him back and we would have been better with Gesell handling the ball a lot more than Marble is insane. Watching last night reminds you of why Marble took so many shots, a lot of times no one else was willing to shoot. Gesell looks good for a game or two then he has games like last night. I thought after his freshman year he was going to be an All Conference pg by the time he was done, a guy who could score 12-15 a night by the time he was a junior and senior, it hasn't happened, but I am overly negative on him most of the time.
 
PCHawk said:
I remember 1 poster b!thcing about shooting long 2's but i cant think of anyone b!tching about quick shooting long 2's. :)
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Welp that poster did say that taking a long two is only ok if the shot clock is running down......basically saying quick shooting a long 2 isn't a good shot.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
I think he's an average starting B10 starting pg, by far the best option we currently have. I am overly negative about him because I think the argument that some posters on here made Marble was holding him back and we would have been better with Gesell handling the ball a lot more than Marble is insane. Watching last night reminds you of why Marble took so many shots, a lot of times no one else was willing to shoot. Gesell looks good for a game or two then he has games like last night. I thought after his freshman year he was going to be an All Conference pg by the time he was done, a guy who could score 12-15 a night by the time he was a junior and senior, it hasn't happened, but I am overly negative on him most of the time.
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True confessions with Hawkeyemike23, i like it. I don't say a lot on here about Mike, but i think his and Oglesby's under preformance is what's keeping us from being a really good team. The negative posts about Marble were absolutely ridiculous.
 
deanvogs said:
Welp that poster did say that taking a long two is only ok if the shot clock is running down......basically saying quick shooting a long 2 isn't a good shot.
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All right I'll give him that one then. He needs it anyway since he's never been right on anything else before. :)
 
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