Iowa's Path to the Playoffs!!!!

Fryowa said:
Both. Zero chance they leave Alabama out this year.
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If bama loses big after a lousy showing against Auburn then bama with 2 losses does not look that good. If Georgia, Cincy, and Mich win, bama loses, and Okie ST or Notre Dame win then put Okie St in front of bama, easy as they are conference champs with one less loss than bama and they won their conference regular season and title game.

Easy decision and putting lame ass bama in when earlier in the year they barely beat Florida which is a pretty bad team.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
First, I agree that the committee will be highly unlikely to jump generic old Iowa over a venerable blue blood like Bama, but let's say that the committee actually realizes sending the same 4 teams to the playoffs every damn year is bad for the game, and so they are willing to have an open mind to an Iowa. If so, a case can be made:

Under the scenario, both teams will have 2 losses. Iowa has two okay losses to two teams that have been ranked at times. Bama has a loss to A&M that is on par with Iowa's 2 losses, but then a blow-out loss to the #1 team. Again, imagine Bama loses 42-7 and its never a game. The losses would largely even out.

Then you ask, who has the better win? Both teams have ugly wins. But as far as quality wins, Bama took care of business at home against a good Ole Miss team. Iowa beat the piss out of the #2 team in the country on a neutral field. And they did that 5 minutes ago.

If you removed the name on the jersey and looked at the results, especially the trend line the last few games, Iowa is the better choice.
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All good points but the even bigger thing if Iowa wins and bama loses and Okie ST wins then there should be a lot of weight given to conference champions. Bama would not be conf champs in this scenario.

Has this College Football Playoff committee ever published their halfway objective ways of deciding which 4 teams get into the playoffs?

At this time of the year teams should get positive points for top wins and winning their conference and should get dinged for bad losses and of course losses themselves will weed out the trash, so to speak.

But really the playoff spots should first of all go to conference championship teams as for the most part they will also have the best records. Sorry Notre Dame but get in a conference and run the gauntlet.
 
Well it wasnt hard to find so here is the CFP committee's criteria for close calls:

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
  • Championships won
  • Strength of schedule
  • Head‐to‐head competition (if it occurred)
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
So winning your conference is one and you have to play a tough schedule which can hurt some teams this year not in the Big 10 or SEC.
 
uihawk82 said:
Well it wasnt hard to find so here is the CFP committee's criteria for close calls:

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
  • Championships won
  • Strength of schedule
  • Head‐to‐head competition (if it occurred)
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
So winning your conference is one and you have to play a tough schedule which can hurt some teams this year not in the Big 10 or SEC.
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I heard someone on ESPN say that when they are talking about putting someone in who didn't win their conference, that team has to be without a doubt better than a team who did win theirs. The only thing that makes Alabama a clear cut better team is the name recognition.
 
I think a lot of people have a hard time with picturing the recognition we would get by blowing out Michigan because they have a hard time picturing actually blowing out Michigan. One huge game makes a big difference to the fickle crowd. Why put Bama in as the 4 seed to rematch the team that just destroyed them?
 
PCHawk said:
I heard someone on ESPN say that when they are talking about putting someone in who didn't win their conference, that team has to be without a doubt better than a team who did win theirs. The only thing that makes Alabama a clear cut better team is the name recognition.
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It has always seemed odd to me that a team can be crowned National Champion when they didn‘t even win their own conference. I get this happens all the time in other sports but football feels different, you should have to win your conference.
 
ssckelley said:
It has always seemed odd to me that a team can be crowned National Champion when they didn‘t even win their own conference. I get this happens all the time in other sports but football feels different, you should have to win your conference.
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Especially when only 4 teams get in. I think the only time 2 teams from the same conference should get in is when they are by far the 2 best teams. Letting a non conference winner sneak in as the 4th best team is stupid. If you're only letting 4 teams in, the conference championship games have to be considered a playoff round. Lose and you're out.
 
So now that I think about it, 2 teams from the same conference should have to come from the same division. Teams on opposite sides play it out on a neutral field the last week of the season. If you're in the same division. You have variables like tie breakers and home field advantage.
 
PCHawk said:
I heard someone on ESPN say that when they are talking about putting someone in who didn't win their conference, that team has to be without a doubt better than a team who did win theirs. The only thing that makes Alabama a clear cut better team is the name recognition.
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I heard the same thing.

So, if the NorthKCHawk Miracle (that is how it is trending on Twitter) happens, the Committee's presumption is that the team that won their conference is more deserving than the team that did not win theirs. That's the presumption. To overcome that presumption, the committee would have to conclude that objectively, there is "no doubt" that Alabama is a better team than Iowa. (sort of like there was no doubt that LaPorta did not catch the fucking ball in the end zone, but I digress). What objective criterion is there to support that other than the name on the jersey test? Nada. Go through the schedules. There is nothing starkly different about the performance differences between these two teams (once you factor in the two blowouts that are going to happen this weekend).

I am telling you boys, lay your money on this now before Vegas gets wind of this. We are all going to be rich!!!!!!!!!
 
Fryowa said:
If they expand the playoff and leave it as committee selection only it's going to be even more bullshit than it is now.
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Well it will be a little less bullshit because at least more deserving teams can challenge. But, the ultimate plan (which I think is what the plan is) is to have all the major conference champions in the playoffs along with a few at-large. This is the best scenario as all conferences get a representative. Teams can't bitch as much if they didn't do what it takes to win the conference. Then use a defined computer matrix measuring strength of schedule and results to select the leftover at-large teams which is fair to the Boise St. and Cincy's of the world. If a team falls below that matrix too bad too sad for that year. Yea, some people just missing will bitch but if everybody knows the last 3 or so spots are going to be selected this way, oh well. Take those pics out of the committee's hands and have a defined selection on criteria.

The committee can always come back and say, I'm really sorry but this is what the results show and it's out of our hands because this is what was voted on how we select the last teams.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
The committee can always come back and say, I'm really sorry but this is what the results show and it's out of our hands because this is what was voted on how we select the last teams.
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See this is the problem though...

It'll never go that route because if there's defined criteria, you don't need a committee. They'll never make a decision that doesn't require them to subjectively choose teams seemingly on a whim, because then they won't exist anymore.
 
Fryowa said:
See this is the problem though...

It'll never go that route because if there's defined criteria, you don't need a committee. They'll never make a decision that doesn't require them to subjectively choose teams seemingly on a whim, because then they won't exist anymore.
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Exactly, I think the committee needs to be taken out of it. I used the term committee because somebody at some point would need to give out the at-large, based on the defined criteria. I just didn't know who it would be. The NCAA has already kind of walked away from some sport stuff the past few months. Their really only real interest if the NCAA basketball tournament, IMO.

It's such a simple damn thing to set up a college playoff for football that I don't understand why it takes so long. It's obvious, give the major conference champs an invite and have 3-4 or whatever at-large teams that float to the top each year of the matrix defined above, strength of schedule and results. If a teams falls out of it by a point one year, F it, everybody knew the formula.

For example, Indiana and Iowa St. were supposed to really benefit Iowa's SOS this year but wasn't the case. If Iowa was one of the teams just left out, tough shit, it just didn't turn out that year.

This would make teams schedule harder games as well, to ensure they have a chance if they make a nice run.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Exactly, I think the committee needs to be taken out of it. I used the term committee because somebody at some point would need to give out the at-large, based on the defined criteria. I just didn't know who it would be. The NCAA has already kind of walked away from some sport stuff the past few months. Their really only real interest if the NCAA basketball tournament, IMO.

It's such a simple damn thing to set up a college playoff for football that I don't understand why it takes so long. It's obvious, give the major conference champs an invite and have 3-4 or whatever at-large teams that float to the top each year of the matrix defined above, strength of schedule and results. If a teams falls out of it by a point one year, F it, everybody knew the formula.

For example, Indiana and Iowa St. were supposed to really benefit Iowa's SOS this year but wasn't the case. If Iowa was one of the teams just left out, tough shit, it just didn't turn out that year.

This would make teams schedule harder games as well, to ensure they have a chance if they make a nice run.
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I'm not one to cheer for ISU so it helps our strength of schedule because the odds of it mattering are so slim it's not worth it. But imagine if they were playing for the Big 12 championship with 2 losses. If we both win, not only does it guarantee us over the Big 12 Champ, but it also makes us look way better than the Pac 12 Champ. At that point, how could you possibly take a team that got killed in their championship game over a team that won theirs and had a non conference win over another champion? ISU sucking balls screwed us pretty much.
 
PCHawk said:
I'm not one to cheer for ISU so it helps our strength of schedule because the odds of it mattering are so slim it's not worth it. But imagine if they were playing for the Big 12 championship with 2 losses. If we both win, not only does it guarantee us over the Big 12 Champ, but it also makes us look way better than the Pac 12 Champ. At that point, how could you possibly take a team that got killed in their championship game over a team that won theirs and had a non conference win over another champion? ISU sucking balls screwed us pretty much.
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Iowa started this season having one of the best non-conference or early season schedules. They ended up not playing a top 25 team when all said and done. It's not Iowa's fault Iowa St., Indiana, Wisconsin, etc.. didn't live up to what they were supposed to do. It's weird and more importantly, NOT IOWA'S FAULT!
 
Found this in an ESPN article:

If Iowa wins: The Big Ten is almost certainly out of the playoff because it's unrealistic to think the selection committee would promote the two-loss Hawkeyes from No. 13 into the top four. The computers might malfunction: Iowa would have zero chance in 4,790 different simulations that include the Hawkeyes winning.
 
99topdawg said:
Found this in an ESPN article:

If Iowa wins: The Big Ten is almost certainly out of the playoff because it's unrealistic to think the selection committee would promote the two-loss Hawkeyes from No. 13 into the top four. The computers might malfunction: Iowa would have zero chance in 4,790 different simulations that include the Hawkeyes winning.
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Well the Rose Bowl still would be one hell of a bowl game...especially if they were to finally win it.
 
99topdawg said:
Even if we don't win the Rose, I want to get there. You can't win it if you don't get there. I think it means more to us old guys that grew up wanting to win it than people that only know the current system.
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Definitely. Could be a chance for the record book. If Thibadeaux decides he will play rather than opt out and prepare for the draft, he could break the record for sacks in the Rose Bowl.
 
99topdawg said:
Found this in an ESPN article:

If Iowa wins: The Big Ten is almost certainly out of the playoff because it's unrealistic to think the selection committee would promote the two-loss Hawkeyes from No. 13 into the top four. The computers might malfunction: Iowa would have zero chance in 4,790 different simulations that include the Hawkeyes winning.
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Computers are wrong all the time. I am not even sure why we are still using them. Such a fad.....
 
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