Robowe
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Rebounding was 37-35 Purdue. Turnovers were 14 for each team. Free throws were 13-9 advantage Iowa. The difference was 36 points (12-29) from three for Purdue, 12 points (4-17) for Iowa.
Iowa worst team in Big Ten?
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Rebounding was 37-35 Purdue. Turnovers were 14 for each team. Free throws were 13-9 advantage Iowa. The difference was 36 points (12-29) from three for Purdue, 12 points (4-17) for Iowa.
InGoodCo
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Yeah, but all those #'s get in the way of a false narrative of how bad Iowa is and how none of these guys will ever be any good ever because they aren't immediately right out of high school.
It looks to me like we only got beat bad in one aspect of the game.
HawkGold
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Some of us have a longer term perspective. Getting to the dance is about like going to a bowl game. You have to be pretty weak not to get in if in a power conference.
What were the half stats. Then again, when one team is completely outclasses, stats can be skewed.
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NikeHawk21
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Lol. If that's the case then why have Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, and Michigan all missed the dance in the last three years? Heck, UConn won the championship in 2014 and will most likely miss the tournament this year for the second time in three years since.
HawkGold
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Most every team goes through ups and downs. That said, Fran still hasn't proven much. Some of us are a bit skewed by not believing in a blithering idiot compared to Olson and Davis. Raveling didn't embarrass Iowa. Take away a guy sticking with Pierce, Alford wasn't as embarrassing as Fran can be.
It's like going to a bowl huh? I guess we just need 16 wins. Maybe if our academics are good enough, we can sneak in with 15.
You have to be a pretty uptight person to be embarrassed of what Fran does. Lol at Alford not being embarrassing if you take away the Pierce debacle. I would say that was worth 100 Fran outbursts.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Fran hasn't proven much? Go check the final record of our teams since he got here. He took us out of the gutter. You think he's an embarrassment? Go watch the hawks under Lick. Lick was more embarrassing by just sitting there with his head buried in his hands. You can dislike him all you want but Hawk fans like what he's done and will continue to do.
Robowe
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Gee, I don't know. Was Iowa outclassed in the 1st half last year when they were down 37-20 at half at Mackey? Well, they came back and won that game. Didn't happen the other night. Sometimes, the other teams hits their outside shots when you try to take away the inside game (like they did in the 1st half this year). It happens.
Remember last year when Oklahoma blew out Villanova 78-55 on Dec 7, 2015? Looked like Nova was a pretender. Same two teams played in the Final 4 three months later. Remember who won that one?
NikeHawk21
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Hasn't proven much? It's funny, there are three Big10 teams in bordering states that have been trying to rebuild there programs since Fran got here (Neb, Minny, ILL). Fran has outpaced them all with relative ease, but apparently it's not enough.
Has he lost his cool during the heat of games and done a few things he regrets? Sure.
Embarrassing?... No....
Your posts in this thread are embarrassing.
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HawkGold
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You guys are madder at me than Fran's outbursts. That's OK. I'm just not a fan of him.
I will stand by saying that Iowa gets totally outclassed more than it's share of times and it's usually not about one team being hot and the other cold. Maybe it's overall parity. Guess we'll have to see where the season ends up.
Guess I don't honestly know what Alford did beyond the Pierce thing and at that time, what he did with that wasn't unusual given the climate of the times (not agreeing with how it was handled).
I'm not a fan of him on both on how he acts and as a coach. Better than Lick? Of course. Been following the Hawks for a long time and the blow outs are more common than usual (taking away Lick). Again what is bothersome is how they are blown out. Last year they did have the ability to come back. This year, no, not against Purdue.
I will stand by saying that Iowa gets totally outclassed more than it's share of times and it's usually not about one team being hot and the other cold. Maybe it's overall parity. Guess we'll have to see where the season ends up.
Guess I don't honestly know what Alford did beyond the Pierce thing and at that time, what he did with that wasn't unusual given the climate of the times (not agreeing with how it was handled).
I'm not a fan of him on both on how he acts and as a coach. Better than Lick? Of course. Been following the Hawks for a long time and the blow outs are more common than usual (taking away Lick). Again what is bothersome is how they are blown out. Last year they did have the ability to come back. This year, no, not against Purdue.
But we don't even get blown out very often.
1hawkeye1
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You should find a new team to root for.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Please.
thedukeofearl
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The Wealth of Youngsters on this team have learned another valuable lesson and will profit from this.....
Watch and see.....
Thrills galore and hanging head style defeats will be coming down the line.....
Down the line.....Reminds me of a song.....
There it is.....
Watch and see.....
Thrills galore and hanging head style defeats will be coming down the line.....
Down the line.....Reminds me of a song.....
There it is.....
HawkGold
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Bunch of wanna be comedians.
did an analysis of coaches going back to Lute.
Lute in 9 seasons lost 8 games by 19 points or more. 6 were in season 1. None in the last 6 years.
Raveling lost 4 in 3 years including 3 in year 1.
Davis lost 13 in 14 years. 10 were in his first 5 years, with 5 in one seas (4th).
Alford lost 7 in 7 years with only 1 his last 2.
Lick lost 8 in 3 year with only 1 his last year.
Fran lost 17 in less than 7 seasons. 5 have come in the last 3 years. 5 came in each of his first 2. Going back to the NCAA's it's happened 3 times in 15 games.
Hopefully this is about a young team only. It does beg the question, why is the team so young?
This may be a blip this year.
I still don't like him personally. We all have our tastes.
My 2 biggest complaints.
1. Poor position defense on floor and with body.
2. Anger issues. My guess is his tenure will end badly because of it. Illinois and Iowa have the same coaching problems. Neither are high quality coaches but manage to get by.
did an analysis of coaches going back to Lute.
Lute in 9 seasons lost 8 games by 19 points or more. 6 were in season 1. None in the last 6 years.
Raveling lost 4 in 3 years including 3 in year 1.
Davis lost 13 in 14 years. 10 were in his first 5 years, with 5 in one seas (4th).
Alford lost 7 in 7 years with only 1 his last 2.
Lick lost 8 in 3 year with only 1 his last year.
Fran lost 17 in less than 7 seasons. 5 have come in the last 3 years. 5 came in each of his first 2. Going back to the NCAA's it's happened 3 times in 15 games.
Hopefully this is about a young team only. It does beg the question, why is the team so young?
This may be a blip this year.
I still don't like him personally. We all have our tastes.
My 2 biggest complaints.
1. Poor position defense on floor and with body.
2. Anger issues. My guess is his tenure will end badly because of it. Illinois and Iowa have the same coaching problems. Neither are high quality coaches but manage to get by.
So I assume you prefer slower paced basketball? Fast paced teams are more likely to end up in a lopsided score on bad nights.
Robowe
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Agreed. Also, a blowout loss counts the same (one in the L column) as a close loss. And sometimes, like the football team's blowout loss at Penn State, a blowout loss can show you what you need to work on more than a close loss.
hawkeyemark
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Even in the midst of a re-building season with this young of a team and on the heels of a blowout loss to a likely Final Four team I think we still have room to evaluate Fran's merits as a coach. I tend to take a somewhat agnostic view towards Fran as I see him as adequate having turned the program around but with a rather limited ceiling.
Game and roster management come to mind first for me as far as issues with Fran. The pieces just don't fit together with this team and we have holes at both center and point guard. I for one really like Bohannon but think he would impact the team more with a quality point guard beside him and he could still handle the ball and give us a quality back up at the point which we don't have now. Kreiner seems the best answer in the post right now and yet Fran gives him very limited minutes which I find perplexing. The defensive issues with Fran especially IRT positioning I think speak for themselves.
On another board somebody made the comment that Fran will either get it done with this group of players and his boys and Weiskampf coming in or he won't have succeeded at Iowa and I pretty much agree with that. If we make it to the second weekend of the tournament that will probably seem the high water mark with Fran. We've grown comfortable with Fran given the style of play and his replacing Lickliter. We could do worse but I also think we could do better but we will likely live with Fran for several more seasons.
Game and roster management come to mind first for me as far as issues with Fran. The pieces just don't fit together with this team and we have holes at both center and point guard. I for one really like Bohannon but think he would impact the team more with a quality point guard beside him and he could still handle the ball and give us a quality back up at the point which we don't have now. Kreiner seems the best answer in the post right now and yet Fran gives him very limited minutes which I find perplexing. The defensive issues with Fran especially IRT positioning I think speak for themselves.
On another board somebody made the comment that Fran will either get it done with this group of players and his boys and Weiskampf coming in or he won't have succeeded at Iowa and I pretty much agree with that. If we make it to the second weekend of the tournament that will probably seem the high water mark with Fran. We've grown comfortable with Fran given the style of play and his replacing Lickliter. We could do worse but I also think we could do better but we will likely live with Fran for several more seasons.
