DexterMorgan
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I really don't think that's a good indicator of who the better conference was. Just my opinion.
Iowa (unranked) beat one of those teams without their #1 RB and #1 WR on a nuetral field.
Iowa v. Nebraska: A Comparison
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I really don't think that's a good indicator of who the better conference was. Just my opinion.
Iowa (unranked) beat one of those teams without their #1 RB and #1 WR on a nuetral field.
74Hunter
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It's all about the timeline. I would disagree, though. 10 years may be too long. DONU played in the MNC 10 years ago, and I don't think that it had any effect on how crappy we were in 2004 or 2007, or how good the team was (or wasn't) last year.
A more realistic timeline would be 2 to 3 years, as many of the same players and coaches are still involved with each respective program.
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ChosenChildren
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My friends in Omaha seem to think that Nebraska will have an easy time in the Big Ten.
My point with my post is to emphasize that they will not have an easy time. Over the past 10 years, they have barely kept up with Iowa.
Iowa was probably the 3rd or 4th best program in the Big Ten over that ten year time period. Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan, because of their resources and recruiting base, have the ability to dominate everybody. Wisconsin also has become a big-time national player. Michigan St. also has a huge recruiting base, as does Illinois. NW is always dangerous and hard to beat, as any Iowa fan can attest.
I think it is going to be murderer's row for Nebraska. They will have good seasons from time to time, but they went from the frying pan into the fire by moving from the Big 12 to the Big 10.
Frankly, setting your sights on beating Iowa isn't going to get it done for the Big Red fans. You have to beat the Ohio States, Michigans, Penn States and Wisconsins to return to national prominence. I don't see it happening, at least not now with the current Nebraska coaching staff.
My point with my post is to emphasize that they will not have an easy time. Over the past 10 years, they have barely kept up with Iowa.
Iowa was probably the 3rd or 4th best program in the Big Ten over that ten year time period. Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan, because of their resources and recruiting base, have the ability to dominate everybody. Wisconsin also has become a big-time national player. Michigan St. also has a huge recruiting base, as does Illinois. NW is always dangerous and hard to beat, as any Iowa fan can attest.
I think it is going to be murderer's row for Nebraska. They will have good seasons from time to time, but they went from the frying pan into the fire by moving from the Big 12 to the Big 10.
Frankly, setting your sights on beating Iowa isn't going to get it done for the Big Red fans. You have to beat the Ohio States, Michigans, Penn States and Wisconsins to return to national prominence. I don't see it happening, at least not now with the current Nebraska coaching staff.
74Hunter
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And you are entitle to that, I guess we will agree to disagree.
74Hunter
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Some do, and some don't. It's such a crap shoot, you never really know. Everyone thought that PSU was gonna be good last year, and no one gave much though to MSU, but things turned out differently. A few years back, no one thought that Texas Tech would be in the MNC hunt, yet they only lost that one game to Oklahoma. No one expected much out of Oklahoma St. last year, yet they were a good team. Each conference will have it's ups and downs.
Point well taken, however, things have changed in Lincoln, new coach, new AD, new facilities. What happened in 2004 probably doesn't have much effect on what happens in the future, and DONU has been rebuilding. It still is, only time will tell.
Another good point, but with all due respect, Nebraska has more in common geographically with Iowa, but it has more in common historically with PSU, tOSU, and Michigan regarding football.
Will it equal us dominating the Big 10 as we did the Big 8/12 in the 90's, doubtful, but who knows. PSU is up and down, Michigan is down, hopefully, DONU is getting back to where we want to be.
The next 2 years will be interesting the way the schedule has set up. And with all the moves on our coaching staff, we may have some growing pains. But as poorly as our offense played in the last half of the season, Nebraska fans can't help but think that it will get better.
Agreed.
Disagree, alot of us are excited to see how this turns out. We have some damn good coaches down there. We could be wrong, only time will tell.
ChosenChildren
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74Hunter, you are a loyal Nebby fan so I can't fault you for that. But facts are facts. You suggested that Nebby was better over the past 3 years. Again, the facts say otherwise for the past 3 years:
1. W-L
IA 28 11 .712
NE 29 12 .707
2. Bowl record
IA 3-0
NE 2-1
3. Top 10 finishes
IA 1
NE 0
4. BCS Wins
IA 1
NE 0
5. Records against common Big 12 opponents (Mizzou and Iowa State)
IA 4-0
NE 4-2
Yes, in 2010 your overall record (10-4, .714) was slightly better than Iowa's (8-5, .615), but at the end of the year you were the inferior team (Iowa defeats No. 12 Mizzou, while you get blown out by a 6-6 Washington team). And the excuse that Nebby "just wasn't into it" just doesn't wash for me. Iowa had lost 3 games in a row, but found a way to play well in their bowl game. Nebby had something to prove after the Big 12 championship game, but looked like zombies.
I just don't understand the cockiness of Nebraska fans. You are barely keeping up with Iowa right now. The level of competition really goes up for you next year with Ohio St, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, and an improving Michigan team, not to mention Iowa and Northwestern. It will be interesting to see what happens.
1. W-L
IA 28 11 .712
NE 29 12 .707
2. Bowl record
IA 3-0
NE 2-1
3. Top 10 finishes
IA 1
NE 0
4. BCS Wins
IA 1
NE 0
5. Records against common Big 12 opponents (Mizzou and Iowa State)
IA 4-0
NE 4-2
Yes, in 2010 your overall record (10-4, .714) was slightly better than Iowa's (8-5, .615), but at the end of the year you were the inferior team (Iowa defeats No. 12 Mizzou, while you get blown out by a 6-6 Washington team). And the excuse that Nebby "just wasn't into it" just doesn't wash for me. Iowa had lost 3 games in a row, but found a way to play well in their bowl game. Nebby had something to prove after the Big 12 championship game, but looked like zombies.
I just don't understand the cockiness of Nebraska fans. You are barely keeping up with Iowa right now. The level of competition really goes up for you next year with Ohio St, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, and an improving Michigan team, not to mention Iowa and Northwestern. It will be interesting to see what happens.
tm3308
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Nebraska had ZERO business being in the title game, as was made painfully obvious by Miami for anyone who thought it was okay for a team that didn't even make it to its conference title game to play for the national title.
Oklahoma had no business being in the title game over USC in 2003.
The Big 12 has been Texas and Oklahoma for a decade. They are the only reason that the Big 12 has gotten any national respect over the last 5-7 years.
I'll give you OK State this year. I really liked watching them play. But after that, the conference was hardly all that. Mizzou loses to an unranked team in a bowl that the Iowa players were no more excited to be in than the Mizzou players. Baylor got dominated by Illinois. Tech was barely able to hold off a Dan Persa-less Northwestern team. K-State lost to Syracuse. A&M got dominated by LSU. And Nebraska lost to a God-awful Washington team that they beat by 35 in September.
Not a particularly impressive showing, IMO. Big Ten's wasn't any better, but to claim the Big 12 is better is an absolute joke.
Section136
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I would add to your list that Oklahoma did not deserve to be in the title game after the 2004 season either. The 55-19 or whatever bashing they took at the hands of USC proved that undefeated Auburn should have gotten a crack at the title.
74Hunter
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I guess I don't remember saying that DONU has been better than Iowa over the past 3, 5, or 10 years. Last year we had a better record. I think I said that both programs have had about the same amount of success in that time period.
My statement was that the past 2 or 3 years is probably a better indicator of who is better right now. Numbers say that the 2 schools are close, slight edge to Iowa.
And DONU smacked that same Mizzou team a couple of months earlier. Obviously, our offense went into the tank at the end of the year, bad OC, injured qb. Hopefully, those will get fixed.
Oh, and a 12 point loss isn't exactly a blowout.
We see promise, we see we are getting close, losing 2 CCGs in back to back years by a total of 4 points, one of which played in the MNC game. Our D plays at a championship level, if we get any sort of offense, we will be there. Hopefully the changes made will help.
ChosenChildren
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Fair enough. I'll give you the last word. I really don't have anything to add.
The good news is we don't have to speculate much longer. Nebraska's Big Ten season starts this fall, and the rivalry with Iowa starts this November.
I'll tell you one thing about the Big Ten: Don't overlook MIchigan State, Minnesota and NW. You better come to play (especially in their stadiums) or you will get spanked.
Should be an interesting year.
The good news is we don't have to speculate much longer. Nebraska's Big Ten season starts this fall, and the rivalry with Iowa starts this November.
I'll tell you one thing about the Big Ten: Don't overlook MIchigan State, Minnesota and NW. You better come to play (especially in their stadiums) or you will get spanked.
Should be an interesting year.
74Hunter
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I hope the team doesn't overlook anyone. ISU should have taught us that lesson the last couple of years.
Looking forward to it. I couldnt agree more.
tm3308
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I give 2004 to OU. In hindsight, Auburn deserved to get a crack at it. But OU was in the top 2 wire-to-wire, and did nothing to lose that spot. That's why preseason polls are a crock, but even if the first poll didn't come out until midseason, they'd have still been in the top 2.
So by that logic we should be way more cocky, because as you would say we have had less sucess overall, but are having more now, while you have had more sucess overall and have won countless ncg and ccg, ect. So you would think you would be more skilled at being humble, where as since we have never had to much sucess it is new to us and thus has not allowed our humbleness to grow, right?
Bo is just and OK coach. I don't think he is great, like all of the big red likes to think. He has been hand cuffed ever since the A&M game. He is a hot head, and a loose cannon, with good football knowledge. Since he can't act like a 10 yr old anymore, he feels like he can't be himself, and his performance will suffer.
I'm still not convinced that he won't leave UN in the next 2-3 yrs. It's not the job they think it is. I think Iowa fans can be over the top crazy about their team, but they take it to a WHOLE new level. He's horrible in the media, and would better suited in a city or state where there's a little more than just college football.
I'm still not convinced that he won't leave UN in the next 2-3 yrs. It's not the job they think it is. I think Iowa fans can be over the top crazy about their team, but they take it to a WHOLE new level. He's horrible in the media, and would better suited in a city or state where there's a little more than just college football.
74Hunter
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Some would say that this IS exactly the way it is. Husker fans would.
Problem is, it seems that Iowa fans see Husker fans' enthusiasm and hope that our program will get back to the elite as being cocky and arrogant.
You will take a statement of false bravado made by one or two Big Red Koolaid drinkers and attribute it to the entire fan base. I spend plenty of time on a Husker message board, and most of the people tend to think that our 2011 season will mirror our 2010/2009 seasons. Most give us a realistic shot at winning the Division, which in turn gives us a good shot at winning the CCG. Most say that we have a shot at winning every game on or schedule, but that we will likely lose 2 to 4 along the way in the way we have the last couple of years. A few say that we will steamroll the Big 10 and play for the MNC, a few say that we will go 7-5 or 6-6.
GravyJones
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You mean 5?
GravyJones
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well, actually 4½
74Hunter
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I disagree. This team was in shambles before he arrived, he has done some remarkable things in his short time as a head coach, and as a D-Coordinator.
Interesting. I don't think that he a "loose cannon" but he may feel somewhat handcuffed. Hopefully, it was a learning experience, one that makes him a better coach, contrary to what you are saying.
I don't think it will happen in the next 2-3 years. The only jobs I can see him leaving for would be LSU or tOSU. Since Miles turned down Michigan again, LSU seems to be out of it, unless they get stupid and fire Miles. And I thought that there was an unwritten agreement that Big 10 schools will not poach coaches from fellow Big 10 schools. If so, then tOSU is out when the Vest leaves.
This is a common misconception perpetrated by Hawk fans and/or Husker haters. Y'all like to make it out that we walk around like we think that its January 10, 1996, and we are raping and pillaging the college football world. The whole Crapahan disaster mellowed out Husker fans and brought us down to earth.
That is a damn tough job to have: High expectations, small recruiting base, terrible weather, small town that is thought to be in the "middle of nowhere" by many people.
Now this is true, and it is a very interesting point. But just where would Bo go that would lessen the pressure? LSU, tOSU?? While recruiting would be easier, the fan bases there are just as crazy. Would he take a job at a place like TCU where you fly under the radar? That move would be a lateral at best, and I think Bo likes some of the pressure. He surely wouldn't leave to take a job at say, Cincinatti or South Florida, that's for sure. He turned down Miami even though he was upset with Harvey Pearlman, I don't see him just up and leaving, he's not a quitter.
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74Hunter
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Oh boy...........
GravyJones
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Oh boy...........
Sorry, do they get full credit for splitting that one?
