Iowa total offense ranking

[SCHawkeye2]

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To those who blame the lack of talent / experience at OL for our offensive ineptitude, please note our offensive prowess in 2019 - when we had two tackles now playing in the NFL and a senior 4 year starter at QB.
Bottom 25% of all programs.
Not sure our offensive problems are as simple as recruiting misses on the OL,.

 

[Fryowa]

To those who blame the lack of talent / experience at OL for our offensive ineptitude, please note our offensive prowess in 2019 - when we had two tackles now playing in the NFL and a senior 4 year starter at QB.
Bottom 25% of all programs.
Not sure our offensive problems are as simple as recruiting misses on the OL,.

I don't think anyone is claiming the problem with the the offense as a whole is recruiting issues. Obviously play calling has been head-scratching this year.

But when it comes to the offensive line, that's exactly what it is. Unless you were completely riddled with injuries there's zero other explanation.

 

[hawkinn3]

At any other school in the country Brian Ferentz would be fired. He is objectively bad at his job.

 

[Fryowa]

At any other school in the country Brian Ferentz would be fired. He is objectively bad at his job.

Firing a guy in the middle of the season, after being 6-2, would be ludicrously stupid. You don't just go out and find an OC to call plays next Saturday.

 

[ChosenChildren]

Kirk Ferentz is a great coach and has done a phenomenal job at Iowa. Starting in 2001, he's won about 65% of his games at Iowa in a very tough league. That is outstanding.

We have at least 5 games left, including the bowl game. Let's see how this season plays out.

I'm guessing they will evaluate the whole offense at the end of the year. I think it all boils down to the offensive line right now. It simply has to get better; this season or next season. Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State run very simple schemes, but they work because they have excellent blocking O-lines. Ferentz has had those types of lines in the past. That needs to be priority one for Iowa going forward. Any one can design an offense when you have the horses up front. Any play will work if it is operating behind a dominant offensive line. Vince Lombardi had about 30 plays at Green Bay, but he always had fierce, efficient offensive lines to lead the way.

Don't overanalyze this. It's pretty simple.

 

[HerkyNeedsaTan]

To those who blame the lack of talent / experience at OL for our offensive ineptitude, please note our offensive prowess in 2019 - when we had two tackles now playing in the NFL and a senior 4 year starter at QB.
Bottom 25% of all programs.
Not sure our offensive problems are as simple as recruiting misses on the OL,.

Not to mention a future NFL wide receiver (Smith-Marsette), running back (Sargent) and two Tight-Ends (Fant and Hocks). You’d think with all that talent we could at least crack the top 50!

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Kirk Ferentz is a great coach and has done a phenomenal job at Iowa. Starting in 2001, he's won about 65% of his games at Iowa in a very tough league. That is outstanding.

We have at least 5 games left, including the bowl game. Let's see how this season plays out.

I'm guessing they will evaluate the whole offense at the end of the year. I think it all boils down to the offensive line right now. It simply has to get better; this season or next season. Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State run very simple schemes, but they work because they have excellent blocking O-lines. Ferentz has had those types of lines in the past. That needs to be priority one for Iowa going forward. Any one can design an offense when you have the horses up front. Any play will work if it is operating behind a dominant offensive line. Vince Lombardi had about 30 plays at Green Bay, but he always had fierce, efficient offensive lines to lead the way.

Don't overanalyze this. It's pretty simple.

At Iowa and the support and leash they give their coaches, he should really be up in the 70-75% winning %, IMO, especially in the West. Having a half ass competent offense would get him to that %.

 

[bostonbrian]

Firing a guy in the middle of the season, after being 6-2, would be ludicrously stupid. You don't just go out and find an OC to call plays next Saturday.

I agree completely, however we are 6-2 in spite of BF not because of him….

 

[kicker22]

I guess I don't even see this as an argument. This team really is built no different then any we've had the last 20 years and I see no difference in ideology since KF's been here. So IMO it's the same football we've seen so I'm not sure why this year is any different then any other. KF and his offense and defense are the same as they've ever been. We can point fingers at how BF is still employed all we want, but my guess would be his production (or lack there of) is probably right there with O'Keefe's.

It's the age old fire KF argument resurfacing once again except at a time were 6-2. I guess my question would be why at 6-2 as opposed to 5-0? Why now as opposed to the preseason? Maybe it's just me, but Iowa football hasn't changed in 20 years so I don't see why this argument keeps resurfacing. This is Iowa football, I'm just not sure the argument goes dormant time and time again yet the results seem to stay the same and then suddenly some are up in arms again when nothing has changed.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

We can point fingers at how BF is still employed all we want, but my guess would be his production (or lack there of) is probably right there with O'Keefe's.

See my post on 1 page. It's worse. KOK definitely had some rough years, but he also had some offenses that were Top 30-60. BF hasn't sniffed that even once. For whatever reason, whether it's a BF or recruiting issue, etc., things have definitely trended the wrong way.

 

[uihawk82]

WTF,? The writing is on the wall. The Ferentz's at this point are just continuing to fleece the state of Iowa out of millions of $$$$$$$. When are we going to wake up, fight back, and state "That's enough!!". Somebody in the UofI administration and/or boosters need to grow a set of balls and end this.

But for the longest time Kirk's and the other coaches salary have been paid by the revenues of the Athletic Dept and not the state of Iowa. This is the main reason he survives because he avgs 8 wins a season, wins the trophy games, and goes to an wins some bowl games.

If the State of Iowa taxes were being used to pay them it would be a different story and the last time I heard the UI Ath Dept is solvent and in the black. Now last year's covid no crowds and fewer games hurt the purse strings.

I have called for major changes with Kirk back in 2006 and '07, 2012 and in 2014 we had a decent offense but lost games we shouldnt have which is a Kirk specialty. Look how many times Kirk has lost to lesser ISU and jNW teams because of not being aggressive etc and being outcoached

 

[uihawk82]

To those who blame the lack of talent / experience at OL for our offensive ineptitude, please note our offensive prowess in 2019 - when we had two tackles now playing in the NFL and a senior 4 year starter at QB.
Bottom 25% of all programs.
Not sure our offensive problems are as simple as recruiting misses on the OL,.

Kirk's style of football means slow, plodding drives, fewer possessions per game, etc etc. This style means less total yards and probably less points than many other hurry up and spread teams.

I am sure there are stats that could show Iowa's offensive efficiency based on other measures has been better than their rankings some years. This year though the yards per play is really low because of too many negative run plays and sacks.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I don't think anyone is claiming the problem with the the offense as a whole is recruiting issues. Obviously play calling has been head-scratching this year.

But when it comes to the offensive line, that's exactly what it is. Unless you were completely riddled with injuries there's zero other explanation.

Respectfully, I agree with you. There are multiple issues at play here.
The point of my comment is not about this years OL (it is demonstrably awful). It is that our ceiling is so low - 30th percentile when we have talent and experience.
That indicates a problem with the scheme and/or play calling.
And that indicates a need for change.

 

[kicker22]

See my post on 1 page. It's worse. KOK definitely had some rough years, but he also had some offenses that were Top 30-60. BF hasn't sniffed that even once. For whatever reason, whether it's a BF or recruiting issue, etc., things have definitely trended the wrong way.

Maybe I misspoke. What I mean is the fact that under KF, Iowa's offense has always had issues. I've never been a BF guy and don't want to sound as though I'm supporting him, but having those offenses in the top 30-60 range are few and far between. I guess the way I see it is KF will always live and die with Parker and his defense and IMO hiring BF as OC is proof that offense will always be a distant priority behind the defense and special teams. I just don't see it ever changing regardless of who's at OC. But given the opportunity I'd take KOK back at OC in a heart break.

 

[gillnh2o]

Funny you ask, because I actually posted this on another site. Rankings are based on total offense.

The numbers are our rank out of the number of teams nationally. I couldn't find the 1999 stats but they had to be bad.

1999 - ?? (Ken O'Keefe)
2000 - 104/116 (Ken O'Keefe)
2001 - 45/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2002 - 13/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2003 - 92/117 (Ken O'Keefe)
2004 - 104/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2005 - 22/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2006 - 27/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2007 - 109/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2008 - 53/119 (Ken O'Keefe)
2009 - 89/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2010 - 57/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2011 - 76/120 (Ken O'Keefe)
2012 - 117/124 (Greg Davis)
2013 - 84/125 (Greg Davis)
2014 - 66/128 (Greg Davis)
2015 - 72/128 (Greg Davis)
2016 - 121/128 (Greg Davis)
2017 - 117/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2018 - 92/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2019 - 99/130 (Brian Ferentz)
2020 - 88/128 (Brian Ferentz)
2021 - 124/130 (Brian Ferentz)

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Would have been a lot better off hiring Donny Patterson.

 

[Gibsonian]

Kirk Ferentz is a great coach and has done a phenomenal job at Iowa. Starting in 2001, he's won about 65% of his games at Iowa in a very tough league. That is outstanding.

We have at least 5 games left, including the bowl game. Let's see how this season plays out.

I'm guessing they will evaluate the whole offense at the end of the year. I think it all boils down to the offensive line right now. It simply has to get better; this season or next season. Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State run very simple schemes, but they work because they have excellent blocking O-lines. Ferentz has had those types of lines in the past. That needs to be priority one for Iowa going forward. Any one can design an offense when you have the horses up front. Any play will work if it is operating behind a dominant offensive line. Vince Lombardi had about 30 plays at Green Bay, but he always had fierce, efficient offensive lines to lead the way.

Don't overanalyze this. It's pretty simple.

It is pretty simple. With offensive performance at what appears to be the lowest and consistently lowest from our current offensive coaching staff, Iowa should be looking at how to improve this and take action to do it. I never imagined that under BF that we would be worse than Greg Davis. This is disheartening and should be addressed. If this was our defense, this was the performance of a specialist coach, the strength coach, or any other person coaching the offense, action would be taken to address it. It would not continue like this without a major action. Greg had 5 years of better ball than current and that was enough thank goodness.

 

[kicker22]

It is pretty simple. With offensive performance at what appears to be the lowest and consistently lowest from our current offensive coaching staff, Iowa should be looking at how to improve this and take action to do it. I never imagined that under BF that we would be worse than Greg Davis. This is disheartening and should be addressed. If this was our defense, this was the performance of a specialist coach, the strength coach, or any other person coaching the offense, action would be taken to address it. It would not continue like this without a major action. Greg had 5 years of better ball than current and that was enough thank goodness.

I keep seeing posts like "never imagined that under BF we would be worse than Greg Davis" and I get the concept as Davis' days were brutal, but about BF gave you any hope he'd out perform him? We may not have been impressed or thrilled, but at least Davis came in as a former OC with a resume. BF had no OC experience yet most thought he'd do well.
What was it about BF that made people think he'd be successful as a OC having never played the part and shooting through the ranks as quick as he did? Was it the fact that as coaches kid he'd magically open up the offense? Just trying to gain some perspective.

 

[BigD]

Wow, look at the years Iowa has had a mobile QB. Also, yes, KOK has had the most consistent seasons as OC.

OK. It's time to move on from this experience. Can you imagine what Iowa's team could do with an average to above average offense. They'd be in the hunt most years.

I’ve been saying this for years. Another thing I have been saying is if our defense ranked as poor as our offense then our program would be totally effed.

 

[BigD]

Kirk Ferentz is a great coach and has done a phenomenal job at Iowa. Starting in 2001, he's won about 65% of his games at Iowa in a very tough league. That is outstanding.

We have at least 5 games left, including the bowl game. Let's see how this season plays out.

I'm guessing they will evaluate the whole offense at the end of the year. I think it all boils down to the offensive line right now. It simply has to get better; this season or next season. Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State run very simple schemes, but they work because they have excellent blocking O-lines. Ferentz has had those types of lines in the past. That needs to be priority one for Iowa going forward. Any one can design an offense when you have the horses up front. Any play will work if it is operating behind a dominant offensive line. Vince Lombardi had about 30 plays at Green Bay, but he always had fierce, efficient offensive lines to lead the way.

Don't overanalyze this. It's pretty simple.

“Kirk Ferentz is a great coach and has done a phenomenal job at Iowa.”

2004 since last conference title? WTF???

 

[kicker22]

I’ve been saying this for years. Another thing I have been saying is if our defense ranked as poor as our offense then our program would be totally effed.

But that's just it. The defense is the priority of the program so it'll never be as dysfunctional as the offense. The system is built around letting the defense do its thing and either get the offense a short field to work with or force a TO and give them a short field to work with. The offense is bad because there's never been a time when our offense was expected to win games.