Motigerhawk
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I agree. There is no reason We shouldnt attract 4 or 5 star athletes. Im tired of being a developmental program as well. Or I would like to develop some 4 and 5 start athletes.
Iowa Program Pessimists
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I agree. There is no reason We shouldnt attract 4 or 5 star athletes. Im tired of being a developmental program as well. Or I would like to develop some 4 and 5 start athletes.
Exactly. If fans quit going, it starts a chain reaction that most likely ends in a coaching change. But by then, the program is in really bad shape and it's hard to climb out of. Once fans quit going, it's hard to get them back.
Attendance is going to become less and less the driver. TV $. Do they want a loud raucous environment? I am sure they do, but that factor is becoming less. Maybe they should just have inflatable attendees that wave in the wind and are programmable as to when they cheer louder, and behind the opposing bench they could have them insulting the coach's mother just like a virtual reality. It's just weird how things shift over time. I see it in myself. I don't get as hyped up about going as I did 20 years ago. I still go to every home game but something is just different. I will keep going win or lose. Enjoy going. Can't blame the kids. As to what would change things, probably bigger donors drive that more than anything I would guess. Attendance is going to keep going more toward 2 or 3 game packages so more people can afford to go to a couple. For the garbage games like North Texas, they have the kids pricing so parents like to take their kids because kids don't care who the Hawks are playing and then maybe one day when those kids are adults they come back. It all comes back to TV $ though. That is the driver and attendance less so.
If I were Oliver Martin watching today's game it maybe really cause me why I would want to step into something that looked so terrible today. To me it looks more of a scheme issue than just guys who can't get open.
Hopefully with 8 months off and away I will look forward to Iowa football again, but I was pretty indifferent toward the game today before it even started. How many of these bowl game beatings do we take before we just stop scheduling our time around it to tune in to the bowl game?
I saw where Marc Moorehouse stated to someone on Twitter than historically Iowa is a 7-5 or 8-4 team. Just hard to accept that fact.
I guess it could be worse and we could be ISU who will get abandoned by Texas and Oklahoma about 5 or 6 years out.
HaydenHawk56
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Until Iowa commits to playing both offense and defense (wide open, attacking, opportunistic) and gets some top shelf talent in here (more 4 and 5 stars), we are going to be what we are in both football and basketball. It is going to take someone who is not going to cut corners in all phases. We need to win the Big Ten and beat a blue blood in a major bowl game. And we also need to do this more or less in consecutive years. If we can do that, we will start to establish a real brand. Until we do that, we will have best case one foot out and one foot in.....a good/ok program, but not elite.
At the moment, In basketball, we need a real point guard and a real center.....you need to have a full team...not a bunch of pieces. We just never seem to be to put it all together there as well.
We got close in 09 and in 15 in football. We got close with Lester/Olsen and Davis's team in 87. But, just have not been able to sustain success like a Ohio St or Wisconsin. Have not been able to take advantage of opportunities when they have been there.
At the moment, In basketball, we need a real point guard and a real center.....you need to have a full team...not a bunch of pieces. We just never seem to be to put it all together there as well.
We got close in 09 and in 15 in football. We got close with Lester/Olsen and Davis's team in 87. But, just have not been able to sustain success like a Ohio St or Wisconsin. Have not been able to take advantage of opportunities when they have been there.
ShockHawk22
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The OP does present a question that I have been thinking about. The idea of a "true fan". Is someone that follows their team blindly, giving them total support and thankful for what they have? Or someone that wants more and are unhappy with mediocrity?
HaydenHawk56
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I just want Iowa to leave it all out there. Don't leave bullets in the chamber. If there is a better way go for it, but if not, do what you have to do. But, don't keep running into a wall and expecting a different result if and when there is a better way to do it.
Iowa ran into the wall today.
So I wondering if my wife is a true fan of mine.
Joshbrown
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I see it this way.
You can be a fan of the U of IA and its athletic programs (me), and realize that coaches are subservient to the U and its goals.
Or
You can be a fan of coaches (who are all temporary and have goals of personal wealth/fame) and put their needs ahead of the institution (which is not temporary and has its own goals which are larger than a single individual).
After Bryant Alabama went through 7 coaches in 23 years with a combined .515 winning percentage until they hired Sabin. Do you think they would be satisfied with KF?
Alabama was down in the gutter just before Sabin so don't tell me we have to accept mediocracy. I think if you did some research every one of those programs on your list has had to find the right coach at one time or another.
proudhawkfan21
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I'm not happy about the bowl games either. I was hoping for better this year as well. I honestly thought 10-2 was the floor. At the end of the day, I just want to hear the name of the next best thing and hear he would actually come here. Stoops isn't dumb. Bielema shoots h
My research shows that in over 125+ years of football Iowa never has...So....what now? Iowa has the same recruiting advantages of geography? Iowa has Bear Bryant, Joe Namath and dozens of other all-time legends to parade oit? *cough* Chuck Long *cough* Your argument is valid if it's apples to apples. It is not. How Do YOU know with the advantages in recruiting and his ability to coach up players that KF wouldn't have a national title. Barry Switzer has multiples and he could barely coach his way out of a paper sack in Dallas..where he won a SUPER BOWL title.
proudhawkfan21
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YOU choose to root for Iowa. What does it make you? Pick a different team. If you are so disgruntled isn't it foolish to keep supporting a terrible program?
proudhawkfan21
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Seriously.. I'm ok with people being upset. Totally! I am a wreck after a loss. I can't watch sports news shows until Thursday or Friday after a loss. It's passion. I appreciate passion from fans. Even the ones that sit on here and complain about EVERYTHING. I just can't be that kind of fan. I'm glass is half full. Apparently that is hard to accept on an Iowa FAN board. But half the fans on here pick on fellow Hawkeye fans more than the enemy. It makes zero sense. It doesn't have to make sense. Haters gonna hate hate hate hate..I'm Just gonna shake shake shake...to KF leading the Hawks doing the Hokey Pokey. I love it I love it I love it! Touchdown Iowa. Cheer cheer cheer for Iowa until the game is won! That is all.
STLhawkeye20
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Wait, is proudhawkfan21 the same user as Ickehawk?
HawkGold
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So, which way do you see it?
I'd like to see Iowa get some top self talent in here as well but right now I'd settle for not having to battle it out with MAC schools for recruits. Their WR recruiting in general is laughable.
1hawkeye1
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All I ask is to be competitive. I understand you win some, you lose some. But Iowa should almost never get totally dominated, destroyed, and embarrassed by relatively similar teams to themselves. It happens at least once a season and lately in a bowl game on a national stage.
Competitiveness: that's not that high of a bar.
BTW- I think KF is one of the finest people ever. I would vote for him for president. But I think it's time for him to move on from coaching Iowa football.
Competitiveness: that's not that high of a bar.
BTW- I think KF is one of the finest people ever. I would vote for him for president. But I think it's time for him to move on from coaching Iowa football.
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1977Hawkeye
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Am I a pessimist? You betcha.
How on earth can you be optimistic after watching that tire fire on Monday? 3 straight blowout losses in bowls.. 5 straight bowl L's overall.
I don't expect national championships. I doubt many on here do. What I DO expect is a team that can make a good bowl game, show up and be competitive, maybe even win a few bowls like we used to.. And finishing higher than 120th nationally in offense, or whatever it was, shouldn't be too much to ask, either.
This offense is horrific but apparently KF thinks it's fine since GD is coming back for yet another season?
I make no apologies for questioning that.
GotTimDodge
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Hey proudhawkfan...
You should visit small high schools, ones from which not one football player has ever received a scholarship, and speak to the football players there dreaming of a scholarship, and remind them their schools have never produced a scholarship player.
Maybe you could get a few to quit and pursue more realistic endeavors.
You should visit small high schools, ones from which not one football player has ever received a scholarship, and speak to the football players there dreaming of a scholarship, and remind them their schools have never produced a scholarship player.
Maybe you could get a few to quit and pursue more realistic endeavors.
This....If we expect to win 7 games a year, that's mostly what we'll get and what we have gotten. I think this program has much more to offer than what is being produced in terms of wins. Fans, facilities, academically...The program is being undersold. Will we win or compete for Natl Championships year in and year out? Nope, that's not realistic. What's also not (or more accurately, shouldn't be) realistic is providing bonuses after winning 7 games to a coach that already has a ridiculous contract even in the crazy world of sports. Anyone else get paid bonuses at their job for performing at a 54% level? If so, I would like to apply...Bonuses are meant for overachieving not for winning at a baseline clip of just over .500.
