Iowa lands NJ DE

[1977Hawkeye]

I love how some people think a 3 year decline culminating in 4-8 (with some poor losses) has nothing to do with talent.........unbelievable. Pretty easy to defend and compliment our staff's efforts with evaluating and recruiting when your winning regularly. Entirely justified to question and challenge those same subjects when you've been clearly sliding for 3 years.

The recent down slide is absolutely at least partly a lack of talent. Did the 2012 team have as much talent as the 2008-10 teams? 2002-04? I think not.

That said, I think the jury is still out about whether the talent issue is a recruiting issue, an attrition issue, or a little of both. I know that the amount of attrition 2010-11 or so was appalling, and that is now starting to manifest itself. You can't keep losing players left and right without it impacting you on the field. I guess I'm not convinced yet that recruiting is any worse today than it was in previous years.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

The recent down slide is absolutely at least partly a lack of talent. Did the 2012 team have as much talent as the 2008-10 teams? 2002-04? I think not.

That said, I think the jury is still out about whether the talent issue is a recruiting issue, an attrition issue, or a little of both. I know that the amount of attrition 2010-11 or so was appalling, and that is now starting to manifest itself. You can't keep losing players left and right without it impacting you on the field. I guess I'm not convinced yet that recruiting is any worse today than it was in previous years.

Ding ding ding...we have a winner. I just feel we start to turn the corner this year and get back to a 7 win norm and occaisional 8+ win stretches. Could be wrong...hope I'm not.

I also don't believe recruiting is much different than its typically been. Attrition was brutal 09-11(which hurt the last couple years).

 

[MoseSchrute]

Why is it suspicious? Have you scouted this kid and found his play underwhelming?

I guess I just find it odd that people think we should only be offering kids that have other offers. I think it is pretty easy for the Iowa staff. Scout kid, like kid, offer kid. I would be kind of pizzed off if the coaching staff drug it's feet on a kid that they liked, while waiting for other schools to offer, just to "justify" offering the kids.

I'll say it again, the kid might be a very good player, but he is playing at a high profile Jersey school with other highly scrutinized BCS recruits, yet Iowa is his only BCS offer. I just think the question is valid as to why Iowa is the only offer out of 120-some other schools.
Seems to be more the type of guy you want to see play his Sr. year before offering this early, especially when you need real playmakers at this position badly.

 

[MoseSchrute]

I love how some people think a 3 year decline culminating in 4-8 (with some poor losses) has nothing to do with talent.........unbelievable. Pretty easy to defend and compliment our staff's efforts with evaluating and recruiting when your winning regularly. Entirely justified to question and challenge those same subjects when you've been clearly sliding for 3 years.

Yep.

 

[thawks1]

He is playing nose tackle and is double teamed virtually every play. He will be playing on the edge in college at DE. Iowa offered him last December when there was no need to unless they really liked him. Then the new coaches came in and still they went after him hard.

 

[kmurp]

He is playing nose tackle and is double teamed virtually every play. He will be playing on the edge in college at DE. Iowa offered him last December when there was no need to unless they really liked him. Then the new coaches came in and still they went after him hard.

Really? I didn't know that Iowa offered that long ago. 247 sports says Iowa offered in may.

 

[deanvogs]

I'll say it again, the kid might be a very good player, but he is playing at a high profile Jersey school with other highly scrutinized BCS recruits, yet Iowa is his only BCS offer. I just think the question is valid as to why Iowa is the only offer out of 120-some other schools.
Seems to be more the type of guy you want to see play his Sr. year before offering this early, especially when you need real playmakers at this position badly.

I guess we just differ in opinion. Any kid offered this early is someone the staff really wants.

Just curious Mose, what makes you have the opinion that they should see his SR tape? Have you seen him play, or scouted him at all? I only ask this, because I realize how woefully abysmal I am at scouting. I watched Jake Knott play HS football his SR year, and I didn't see a D1 player, and thought ISU's offer was a HUGE reach (was I ever wrong).

I would think the same if only Mich St., or Boston College, or Purdue, or whomever was his first high major had offered this kid. I wouldn't assume it is a reach, because that is his only/first high offer at the moment after his JR year. I would assume it is a kid they really, really want offering that early.

I do get what you are saying, but at the same time if you already know you want him off JR tape, why in the world would you wait for his SR year, and let others get in before you? I am speaking of any school really. If you don't have confidence in what you see (talent you want), and are only waiting for others to validate your opinions on a kid, then you shouldn't be in the coaching/recruiting business.

Sorry for the long winded questions. Really just curious as to why/how others think in this regard, as I have laid out why I think it is a good thing we get the kids we offer off of JR tape.

 

[HomerChampless]

Its understandable that people want to see more talent coming in. However that will only come when Iowa uses the talent they have.

Do you think Iowa only had more talent than only 4 teams that they played last year?
Yes lots of talent can trump a lot of problems Iowa has, but that kind of talent wont come when you win 4 games. That talent wont come when you lose to awful teams every year. If Iowa would have won 6 or 7 games last year than things wouldnt be so bad right now...

Post is right on. As long as KF doesn't use the athletic talents of his players, the athletic talents of Iowa's recruits will continue to decline. I'd like to add: Iowa will have to continue to resort to 'teaching players new postions'. And, well, iowa's skill positions will continue to play zone (or catch 3 yard passes).

EDIT: I don't remember the details, but, I think, two other D line players from his HS were heavily recruited by colleges. College scouts have seen his talents.

 

[Eda]

Post is right on. As long as KF doesn't use the athletic talents of his players, the athletic talents of Iowa's recruits will continue to decline. I'd like to add: Iowa will have to continue to resort to 'teaching players new postions'. And, well, iowa's skill positions will continue to play zone (or catch 3 yard passes).

EDIT: I don't remember the details, but, I think, two other D line players from his HS were heavily recruited by colleges. College scouts have seen his talents.

Do you have specific examples of KirFer not using the talents of his players? You must feel strongly enough to think he isn't; to claim it'll affect the recruiting negatively.

And to your next point you make (teaching players new positions), IMO this would be an indicator the coaches are using the talents of their players.