Iowa lands NJ DE

Eda said:
IMO, it's hijacking when it's a thread celebrating and/or informing of a certain recruit.

If you don't like the job KirFer and co. are doing on the recruiting trail, start a separate thread and voice it there.

Don't hijack a thread about individual recruits. Today's "unknown" could be tomorrow's success story.
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This is a thread about a recruit. People have an opinion about how much talent this recruit has. Then people have an opinion about how much talent Iowa brings in. This is all on topic if you agree with it or not.

If the thread was titled "Iowa Lands NJ DE on 7/16 and this is the thread to welcome him to the Iowa family and not to talk about his talent level unless its positive or how Iowa is doing in the recruiting department please pm deanvogs to see if he wants you to post in this thread before you post in this thread even though he didnt start this thread thread" then you could say some people on here have really screwed up this thread.
 
Fair enough. This thread is about Harris. Welcome to the team, I hope he becomes a great player. It's clear he choose Iowa because he believes this program can help him get there. No knock on the young man.

But I think it's fair, somewhere, to ask whether we should be going after guys with offers from other Top 25 BCS programs like ourselves more often. KFz does develop talent well, and sometimes he can take a Chad Greenway or Dallas Clark and turn them into a great NFL player. We have plenty of those stories to brag about.

But I'd suggest that leaning on "developmental" guys perhaps a bit too much... may be why our proportion of "wins" to "guys in the NFL" is skewed compared to most programs. (see previous thread that I couldn't find)

If your only response to that is "you're a hater"... well, you've self-defined your intellectual limits.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Fair enough. This thread is about Harris. Welcome to the team, I hope he becomes a great player. It's clear he choose Iowa because he believes this program can help him get there. No knock on the young man.

But I think it's fair, somewhere, to ask whether we should be going after guys with offers from other Top 25 BCS programs like ourselves more often. KFz does develop talent well, and sometimes he can take a Chad Greenway or Dallas Clark and turn them into a great NFL player. We have plenty of those stories to brag about.

But I'd suggest that leaning on "developmental" guys perhaps a bit too much... may be why our proportion of "wins" to "guys in the NFL" is skewed compared to most programs. (see previous thread that I couldn't find)

If your only response to that is "you're a hater"... well, you've self-defined your intellectual limits.
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Why would a staff offer players just because other top 25 programs do? As Jon pointed out, this kid is being offered from his JR tape. The staff saw him, evaluated him, and they want him. They could give a rip less who else is offering, as far as they are concerned, the other teams are missing the boat.

For example Fran offered Ulus very early, and was aggressive with him. According to you we shouldn't offer until OTHERS are already offering. It makes no sense. See a kid, like a kid, offer a kid......who cares who else has offered?
 
deanvogs said:
Why would a staff offer players just because other top 25 programs do? As Jon pointed out, this kid is being offered from his JR tape. The staff saw him, evaluated him, and they want him. They could give a rip less who else is offering, as far as they are concerned, the other teams are missing the boat.

For example Fran offered Ulus very early, and was aggressive with him. According to you we shouldn't offer until OTHERS are already offering. It makes no sense. See a kid, like a kid, offer a kid......who cares who else has offered?
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Plz dont quote 'drummer's posts. I have him on ignore and would prefer not to read his posts.
 
Section136 said:

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Now there's a man of courage and integrity.

Run away! - Monty Python and the Holy Grail - YouTube

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Again, Welcome and Good Luck to Terrence Harris. It's great to be a Hawkeye!

I'll move general recruiting discussion to those threads.
 
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thejumper5 said:
A couple of responses to my own statement:

1. Perhaps with all the other talent on his high school field, he blended in to the background. Perhaps he's a legit star, but no one else has seen him because the other stars around him are shining so brightly. I'm not sure I like this explanation.

2. Perhaps Iowa is confident that the opportunity to practice daily against one OT going to Michigan and other going to Virginia Tech means that they think he will improve a lot over the course of this upcoming season. Perhaps they think he's only a borderline prospect now, but they are just sure he'll develop into a coveted prospect in a few months time. Maybe they wanted to get a commitment from him before other schools had a chance to see his senior film.
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You left out possible Option 3:
--KF and staff have finally tired of The Glenville Experiment and have decided someone else can take Ted Ginn Sr's "cast-offs" that didn't get OSU or Michigan offers.
 
didn't someone say his high school is a perennial powerhouse? couldn't this possibly open the door for future recruiting?
 
I think he looks like someone with a lot of upside, same with Outsey. I like the work Chris White is doing. I believe Harris was one of their top targets at DE
 
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But thats not really the case. Look who Iowa has verbals from so far in the 2014 class.

Ellis- One of the top kickers in the nation
Hilliard- 17th ranked all purpose back in the country, also has a younger brother who will is a very highly rated LB. Could pay even more dividends down the road landing CJ first.
Jones- Offers from Baylor, Texas Tech and Nebraska. Was a 4 star before being injured.
Nelson- Offers from Stanford, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Arky, etc.
Pierschbacher- Probably the most impressive offer list for an Iowa verbal since Moeaki or Dace back in 2005.
Scheel- Has an offer from Nebraska along with ISU and Minny.
Truitt- Offers from Maryland, Syracuse and Tennessee.

This is about as good of a start to a class I can remember the Hawks having. Dont you people ever get tired of being so damn negative and whining all the time?
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I agree that they have done a pretty good job so far; maybe that's why this one was surprising to me. He may turn out to be a good player, but it seems to me that we ought to be able to sell some playing time at a much needed position to some guys that are at least being looked at by other conference foes or teams on that level. Guess we'll just have to hope that Kirk out-scouted the entire B1G, most of the A-10, MAC, and ACC on this one.
 
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MoseSchrute said:
I agree that they have done a pretty good job so far; maybe that's why this one was surprising to me. He may turn out to be a good player, but it seems to me that we ought to be able to sell some playing time at a much needed position to some guys that are at least being looked at by other conference foes or teams on that level.
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Why do you assume he isn't good? Just because the offers aren't there yet?

I guess the one thing the staff has done well is evaluate talent. If they have seen enough to offer the kid this year, without seeing him play his SR, then they are very, very confident that he has the talent to play in the BIG. This isn't a reach for them, this is a kid they want, and they do know what they are doing in this instance and their track record backs this up.
 
deanvogs said:
Why do you assume he isn't good? Just because the offers aren't there yet?

I guess the one thing the staff has done well is evaluate talent. If they have seen enough to offer the kid this year, without seeing him play his SR, then they are very, very confident that he has the talent to play in the BIG. This isn't a reach for them, this is a kid they want, and they do know what they are doing in this instance and their track record backs this up.
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It's nice that the coaches evaluated talent well in the past but this is basically a new staff. Past performance may or may not translate well to future results.
 
kmurp said:
It's nice that the coaches evaluated talent well in the past but this is basically a new staff. Past performance may or may not translate well to future results.
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So you think that Erb, or Wilson, or Soup were offering kids? I guess I don't see it that way. I'm sure they might lobby for a kid, or press KF for an offer, but there is only one guy saying yes or no on who to offer.
 
deanvogs said:
Why do you assume he isn't good? Just because the offers aren't there yet?

I guess the one thing the staff has done well is evaluate talent. If they have seen enough to offer the kid this year, without seeing him play his SR, then they are very, very confident that he has the talent to play in the BIG. This isn't a reach for them, this is a kid they want, and they do know what they are doing in this instance and their track record backs this up.
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I never said he isn't or can't be good; but yes, I find it somewhat suspicious when basically no other offers are there.
 
MoseSchrute said:
I never said he isn't or can't be good; but yes, I find it somewhat suspicious when basically no other offers are there.
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Why is it suspicious? Have you scouted this kid and found his play underwhelming?

I guess I just find it odd that people think we should only be offering kids that have other offers. I think it is pretty easy for the Iowa staff. Scout kid, like kid, offer kid. I would be kind of pizzed off if the coaching staff drug it's feet on a kid that they liked, while waiting for other schools to offer, just to "justify" offering the kids.
 
deanvogs said:
So you think that Erb, or Wilson, or Soup were offering kids? I guess I don't see it that way. I'm sure they might lobby for a kid, or press KF for an offer, but there is only one guy saying yes or no on who to offer.
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I do t know how the process works internally. I only know that there's a lot of new people involved so I thought that we couldn't assume that things will be the same going forward. I do understand that Ferentz would need to approve of all commits. White couldn't just do whatever he wanted.
 
I love how some people think a 3 year decline culminating in 4-8 (with some poor losses) has nothing to do with talent.........unbelievable. Pretty easy to defend and compliment our staff's efforts with evaluating and recruiting when your winning regularly. Entirely justified to question and challenge those same subjects when you've been clearly sliding for 3 years.
 
ohhawk said:
I love how some people think a 3 year decline culminating in 4-8 (with some poor losses) has nothing to do with talent.........unbelievable. Pretty easy to defend and compliment our staff's efforts with evaluating and recruiting when your winning regularly. Entirely justified to question and challenge those same subjects when you've been clearly sliding for 3 years.
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Its understandable that people want to see more talent coming in. However that will only come when Iowa uses the talent they have.

Do you think Iowa only had more talent than only 4 teams that they played last year?
Yes lots of talent can trump a lot of problems Iowa has, but that kind of talent wont come when you win 4 games. That talent wont come when you lose to awful teams every year. If Iowa would have won 6 or 7 games last year than things wouldnt be so bad right now.

I havent been saying that Iowa has to win 10 or 9 games every year. I do think that Iowa needs to beat teams that they have more talent than. They should not lose to teams that they have more talent than when the game is in Kinnick.
 
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