If KOK was OC yesterday

PCHawk said:
The problem with KOK is that everyone does remember that 1 play because it was about the only time he did something creative so it sticks out. If we had a good OC for 13 years we would never remember "that one play".
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You want more plays? How about the entire 2004 season where we had a new QB and no RBs? How about the entire 2008 season where O'Keefe managed to draw up plays, including some beautiful counters, to get Shonn Greene 100 yards a week? How about 2009 where we were dealing with freshmen RBs who weren't that good but who managed to come through big? Do you remember the power formation we rolled out against GA Tech that put Wegher in the endzone? Did you see the game where we came back big against Pitt - that spread no huddle attack is actually what O'Keefe wanted to run.

Look at individual players. Andy Brodell as a sophomore in 2006 (pre-injury) had 39 catches for 724 yards and 5 TDs with a hobbled Drew Tate and rag tag crew of backup QBs. Tevaun Smith as a junior this season wound up with 41 catches for 559 yards and 3 TDs. Is this a joke? Smith is a dynamic player but is putting up markedly worse stats than Brodell. That is criminal.

Look at the QB situation. JVB tossed for over 3000 yards, 25 TDs and 7 pics in KOK's final year. He had 2200 yards and 7TDs against 8 pics in Davis' first year. This year, Jake and CJ didn't hit 3000 yards combined and they had 19 TDs combined. I just don't get how folks can see this marked drop off in the passing game, especially when the schedule and conference are much softer than when KOK was here, and not see that Davis is a major problem. To put it into perspective, James Vandenberg's 2011 season with O'Keefe at O-Coordinator was the high water mark in QB play at Iowa in the past 4 years. Read that bolded part again and let it sink in. To characterize O'Keefe as having called one good play is sheer lunacy.
 
Still KOKforPrez, you haven't made the point that Davis is the problem. You've just made the point that the combo of JVB and KOK is better than Davis and Rudock. IMO, Rudock was/is still learning more about Davis' offense than JVB did KOK's. I can also point to a lot of KOK related Iowa stats that were a whole lot worse than this season's offense.

I repeat, the problem with this team, this season, was the defense. The back seven.
 
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HomerChampless said:
Explain your bias against Davis. This season's offense is one of the most productive and prolific of the KF era... I just don't understand the bias against Davis. Are some of you parroting what other posters have posted?

This team's biggest flaws were in the defense... the back seven. Not the offense. This offense KEPT Iowa in games this season.

To respond to the post of the OP: Nebraska shredded Iowa's defense with passes that took safeties and backers out of the box which allowed Nebby to run the ball better. Iowa's defense was shredded.
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In 2014, Iowa ranks 73rd in scoring offense, and 69th in total offense. Although an improvement from the past couple years, I wouldn't exactly call that "prolific".

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalYards
 
Still, this season's Davis offense was one of the most prolific and highest scoring of the KF era. You also have to consider KF as 'governor' (it's a car analogy where the foot pedal is restricted from going all the way down to prevent total speed reached) when comparing this season's offensive production to the national average.
 
HomerChampless said:
Still KOKforPrez, you haven't made the point that Davis is the problem. You've just made the point that the combo of JVB and KOK is better than Davis and Rudock. IMO, Rudock was/is still learning more about Davis' offense than JVB did KOK's. I can also point to a lot of KOK related Iowa stats that were a whole lot worse than this season's offense.

I repeat, the problem with this team, this season, was the defense. The back seven.
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You won't hear me commending the back 7 on defense, but I was one of the few guys who before the season told folks to temper expectations based on the turnover at LB. I knew this season was going to fall on the offense and thought the defense played reasonably well, all things considered. But they did get torched a few times and they had some serious problems when the offense was completely inept and didn't give them breathers. Anyway, while I agree you could pin the blame on the back 7, I also note that if Davis had been able to just muster JVB-esque TD numbers from Jake and CJ (and that is by no means a high ceiling in today's collegiate game), we would have had another 6 TD passes. Query what happens with another TD pass against ISU, Wisconsin and Nebraska. We are looking at a 10 win season and 6-2 conference record (I wouldn't move Minnesota or Maryland to the W column based on how awful the defense played those weeks).
 
HomerChampless said:
Still, one of the most prolific and highest scoring of the KF era. You have to consider KF as 'governor' (it's a car analogy where the foot pedal is restricted from going all the way down to prevent total speed reached) as limiting.
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I don't feel like looking this up for each and every season, but there have been some years better than this, and some worse. I know someone posted the year-by-year stats a month or two back, and this year seemed fairly typical from what I recall.

I do agree with you on KF being the one constant here. His teams just are never going to be strong offensively. Not consistently anyway, barring years where we have 2002 or 2008 type talent.
 
HomerChampless said:
I've seen most Iowa games. It's the defense that's lacked ability. What were the scores of most Iowa games this season?
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I've seen most Iowa games, too. I'm not saying the defense this year was great.. There were definitely some issues. All I know is that nationally, the offense is ranked quite a bit lower.

What about the second half of the games against MD and Nebraska, where Iowa had several possessions and gained only 40-50 yards total over that stretch? Or 7 points against Minnesota until a late, meaningless TD in garbage time? It's fair to blame KF for this, but I'm talking about the "what" more than the "why".

There's plenty of blame to go around IMO.
 
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okeefe4prez said:
You want more plays? How about the entire 2004 season where we had a new QB and no RBs? How about the entire 2008 season where O'Keefe managed to draw up plays, including some beautiful counters, to get Shonn Greene 100 yards a week? How about 2009 where we were dealing with freshmen RBs who weren't that good but who managed to come through big? Do you remember the power formation we rolled out against GA Tech that put Wegher in the endzone? Did you see the game where we came back big against Pitt - that spread no huddle attack is actually what O'Keefe wanted to run.

Look at individual players. Andy Brodell as a sophomore in 2006 (pre-injury) had 39 catches for 724 yards and 5 TDs with a hobbled Drew Tate and rag tag crew of backup QBs. Tevaun Smith as a junior this season wound up with 41 catches for 559 yards and 3 TDs. Is this a joke? Smith is a dynamic player but is putting up markedly worse stats than Brodell. That is criminal.

Look at the QB situation. JVB tossed for over 3000 yards, 25 TDs and 7 pics in KOK's final year. He had 2200 yards and 7TDs against 8 pics in Davis' first year. This year, Jake and CJ didn't hit 3000 yards combined and they had 19 TDs combined. I just don't get how folks can see this marked drop off in the passing game, especially when the schedule and conference are much softer than when KOK was here, and not see that Davis is a major problem. To put it into perspective, James Vandenberg's 2011 season with O'Keefe at O-Coordinator was the high water mark in QB play at Iowa in the past 4 years. Read that bolded part again and let it sink in. To characterize O'Keefe as having called one good play is sheer lunacy.
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Of course he didn't only call 1 good play in 13 years. My point was that it happened so rare that when that play happened it caught almost everyone by surprise. I don't think and OC should surprise his fans so rarely. I sure in hell won't give him credit for abandoning the run game in '04. That doesn't prove him smart, it proves he's bot incredibly stupid.

Also if you give the OC credit about Pitt, then you have to against Ball State. Pretty much the same exact situation. I think it proves they are both bad by not doing what they're capable of more often.
 
PCHawk said:
Of course he didn't only call 1 good play in 13 years. My point was that it happened so rare that when that play happened it caught almost everyone by surprise. I don't think and OC should surprise his fans so rarely. I sure in hell won't give him credit for abandoning the run game in '04. That doesn't prove him smart, it proves he's bot incredibly stupid.

Also if you give the OC credit about Pitt, then you have to against Ball State. Pretty much the same exact situation. I think it proves they are both bad by not doing what they're capable of more often.
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Ball State, eh? Compare the offensive output against Ball State in the O'Keefe era versus 2014.
 
HomerChampless said:
A great non-answer.
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So Homer you honestly believe what you wrote?


So your telling me that since GD has taken over at Iowa the Offense has improved? I don't need stats to tell me what I know to be the answer to that and that sir is complete horse ****.

The mere fact that you used the words most productive and prolific. when talking about Greg Davis offense at Iowa is astonishing to me and a complete joke. Got to be kidding me!
 
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PCHawk said:
Compare what Davis did to Northwestern this year to what normally happened against Northwestern when KOK was here.
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Northwestern is the Offensive measuring stick? Are you kidding me!

The previous 2 seasons with GD as OC against Northwestern where we scored 17 in both contests.. KOK as OC also had a 62-59 and 41 point games against the kitty cats as well.
 
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PCHawk said:
Compare what Davis did to Northwestern this year to what normally happened against Northwestern when KOK was here.
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Lulz. Northwestern didn't have a QB this year so they didn't treat us to the steady diet of dink, dunk, 6 yard scramble on third down to suffocate the clock and our defense. Davis did call a nice game against them, though, and our line just trounced their front 7.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
I've seen most Iowa games, too. I'm not saying the defense this year was great.. There were definitely some issues. All I know is that nationally, the offense is ranked quite a bit lower.

What about the second half of the games against MD and Nebraska, where Iowa had several possessions and gained only 40-50 yards total over that stretch? Or 7 points against Minnesota until a late, meaningless TD in garbage time? It's fair to blame KF for this, but I'm talking about the "what" more than the "why".

There's plenty of blame to go around IMO.
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So, why are posters like you and the OP always dissing Davis unless someone else gets you off of it? Is Davis an easy target for some reason?
 
HomerChampless said:
So, why are posters like you and the OP always dissing Davis unless someone else gets you off of it? Is Davis an easy target for some reason?
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Posters like me? I don't recall saying anything about Davis, just that you're full of beans that the offense is "prolific".

Just presenting some facts (not my opinion - I didn't make up the national rankings) to show that the offense is worse than the defense. Are you going to comment on that, or just take it personally because I don't happen to think Iowa's offense is any better under Davis than it was under KOK? So far, I'm not impressed.

Why do posters like you have to insist that the offense is fine despite being in the bottom half of the country and blame the defense, when the rankings are top third or better?
 
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