If KOK was OC yesterday
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HomerChampless
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And KOK national rankings? Keeping with the tone of this thread, is Davis' national ranking this season after 3 total seasons, any worse than any of KOK's national rankings after 13 seasons? I'm gonna have to bow of this discussion in leiu of a slow responding 'puter.
You must not have seen the post I quoted in my post. I was just feeding OK4P the same garbage he was feeding me.
HawkeyeWalker
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5 three and outs in the 3rd quarter lost the game on Friday.
So did scoring 3 points in 3 trips inside their 10 in the 1st quarter.
Defense was decent, good enough to win all but the minna game, if the offense pulls their weight.
Neither off or Def was stellar, but offense was worse.
So did scoring 3 points in 3 trips inside their 10 in the 1st quarter.
Defense was decent, good enough to win all but the minna game, if the offense pulls their weight.
Neither off or Def was stellar, but offense was worse.
RocknRollface
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Oh thats BS.
KOK had an entire season with Jake Christiansan as his QB and couldn't do anything about it.And JC made JR look like Payton Manning.
Davis would be starting CJ if he could.
KOK didn't have the ability to make Kirks crappy offense any better.
Remeber the second half of 2010?
1977Hawkeye
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It's been posted before, and I've looked it up in the past. Although I don't recall the exact numbers, this year was closer to the "typical" KOK offense in terms of national averages. But, this was the best of GD's three years so far, and I know KOK had some seasons where the offense was more like Top 50-ish, including a few years (2001, 2002, 2008) where it was more like Top 20-30. And yes, the offense was horrific in 2007 under KOK.
Of course, Iowa had Shonn Greene in 2008, and we all know about the players we had in 2001-02. So maybe it's more about talent than anything else.
All of that said, I do see your point that maybe KOK would not have done much better than GD this year, either. I guess it goes back to KF's teams usually having mediocre offense regardless of the OC, which is a point I wholeheartedly agree with.
I still stand by my stance that the offense remains a bigger problem in this program over the years than the defense, which is the only point that I was really trying to make. The defense wasn't great this year, but the offense was still worse. The stats bear that out.
HawkPrdatr40
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and so would KOK..
HawkPrdatr40
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So GD won a National Championship with Texas sized talent coming in. GD sucks and that is a FACT end of STORY!!
HomerChampless
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Really, why do you care about the running game as a primary weapon? Davis' passing offense has opened up the field for running yardage. And had a more sophisticated passing attack than KOK's ever had.
How many times has Iowa come back or almost come back from deficits this season (An indication, in itself, of Iowa's defensive woes. I wonder how many times KOK's offense came back from deficits during the whole of KOK's 13 year career)?
After Wisky pulled ahead in 2010 after the fake punt, for example, Iowa had, if I remember correctly, 2 minutes to go about 70 yards down the field for a TD (only needed a FG to win) and, again if I remember correctly, lost yardage. How did Iowa come back from large deficits or pad the lead during KOK's tenure? It seems the defense had to scoop up fumbles or intercept passes and take them to the house... ONLY.
Iowa's offense, now under Davis, is more dynamic and more potent than KOK's ever was. Or ever will. And you think Davis is the reason why Iowa loses games.. Look at the Nebraska score, for example, Nebraska got 30 some points to tie the game. Was that Davis' fault? Or was it Davis' fault the offense had turnovers during the first half resulting in no scores? Did any of you envision Iowa would need 30 some points just to reach overtime? Hum?
Defensive woes... Heck, KF bases his philosophy on game manager offense and dominant defense. KF's system doesn't work if the defense isn't dominant (like this season, for example).
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okeefe4prez
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Yeah, back in 2010 we should have just run Adam Robinson right at JJ Watt and moved the ball to the 20 then kicked the FG. You should be the next OC.
HawkPrdatr40
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HawkPrdatr40
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So Iowa is more prolific, dynamic and more Potent with Davis as OC?? Here are the last 10 season on where Iowa ranked in Team total Offense in the country..
Team Total Offense Statistics under Davis
2012 Ranked 116th out of 124 FBS Schools
2013 Ranked 78th
2014 Ranked 69th
Team Total Offense Statistics under KOK
2011 Ranked 62nd
2010 Ranked 52nd
2009 Ranked 83rd
2008 Ranked 48th
2007 Ranked 110th
2006 Ranked 30th
2005 Ranked 24th
2004 Ranked 91st
HomerChampless
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This is how I remember that last Iowa series against Wisky in 2010, KOKfor prez: Two passing plays resulting in sacks and 2 other incomplete passes. That offense wasn't designed to go down the field and Stanzi wasn't used to picking out pass receivers under pressure... Unlike GD's offense.
And this was against the worst schedule I can ever remember Iowa playing in my lifetime. Some horrible defenses on the list of teams we played, yet we ranked 73rd in scoring offense. That should get an OC or coach or both fired.
HomerChampless
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I don't respond to your rhetoric. Am stlll wondering how much you know about sports, how old you are, or if you can use logic in your arguments.Homer how many points did Iowa's offense score Friday? It wasn't 34..
You remind me of another poster who used to use pictures, solely, to make points but didn't use any logic.
HawkPrdatr40
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[h=1]Team Passing Offense Statistics under Davis[/h]2014 Ranked 51st
2013 Ranked 90th
2012 Ranked 104th
[h=1]Team Passing Offense Statistics under KOK[/h]2011 Ranked 56th
2010 Ranked 47th
2009 Ranked 51st
2008 Ranked 84th
2007 Ranked 101st
2006 Ranked 24th
2005 Ranked 24th
2004 Ranked 32nd
HawkPrdatr40
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I provided facts Homer, because I was getting tired of your ridiculous assertions that Davis is this Great offensive mind and when you throw out words like Prolific when talking about Greg Davis Offenses I had to chuckle. I resorted to pictures because my logic wasn't getting through to you. Fact is your in the MINORITY with all you've said about Greg Davis..
