sioux34
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I'm not missing anything. What you are missing is that until last night Josh could not hit the broad side of a barn. Let him have another game or two like that, and you may have a point.
I think it's time to get May off the court.
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I'm not missing anything. What you are missing is that until last night Josh could not hit the broad side of a barn. Let him have another game or two like that, and you may have a point.
Can you really not see that Josh has more promise from the offensive side of things, while also having 3 years left in the system? Do we lose anything by playing Josh a little more and May a little less this year, probably not.
hawkfarmer
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I am for May not playing anymore. His defense is horrible. The reason that Elsworth or whoever got 8 straight points is because Basabe had to help on May's guy who went straight to the rim on him 3 straight times. He is not a good on ball defender, he is not a good shooter, horrible with the ball.
His and Josh's offensive games are completely different, tough to compare. Oglesby is a jump shooter, May a slasher, who can only go right. May hasn't done jack squat all B1G season. I know Ogelsby hasn't done much til last night, but he's a freshman, and even the shots he's missed at least look like they have a shot at going in. May's don't.
His and Josh's offensive games are completely different, tough to compare. Oglesby is a jump shooter, May a slasher, who can only go right. May hasn't done jack squat all B1G season. I know Ogelsby hasn't done much til last night, but he's a freshman, and even the shots he's missed at least look like they have a shot at going in. May's don't.
No, you can't do that either, but maybe starting to push more minutes for Josh while looking at the next couple years is probably the right thing for Fran to do. I wish May was a better shooter, but he's just not, and we need that right now. If you were to divide minutes, and this isn't exact, but if I were coach, I'd try for something close to this...Gatens 30-35, Marble 30-35, White 30, Mccabe 30, Basabe 20, May 10-15, Josh 10-15, Cartwright 10, Archie 5-10, Gabe 5-10.
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May is a good defender when he has the right match up. May does not have great lateral quickness, but his strenght can cover that weakness up at times when refs allow a bit more contact.
May did a good job on Hummel as Hummel is not as quick. Hummel has more size than May but May can do a good job on these type of players. Quick wings can give May fits defensively.
hawkfarmer
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Hummel still scored like 18 on us the first game anyway. That's the problem, May has no lateral quickness, he plays like a linebacker, and when you have to guard guys with any speed he gets smoked. The problem here is he has to guard somone bigger than him to equal this out, this causes an issue as then McCabe, Basabe, Archie, White, etc. have to guard someone smaller, so it creates mismatches. I'm not saying the May should never play (I wouldn't argue this) but if he can't matchup he shouldn't be in there. He was a huge liability last night.
I agree, if he does not have a good match up you can't really play him much. I agree on the dominoe effect of May having to guard someone else.
RocknRollface
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You are because I was not arguing on who should start. May vs Ogelsby, never once said Josh should start.
My argument was only that Josh is clearly a much more skilled offensive player than May and the stats are irrelevant because it visibly obvious.
The fact that they both play the same positions does not mean they are expected to play the same role on offense just like Archie and McCabe are not asked to do the same things on offense even though they both play center.
tm3308
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Hummel scored 16 points, actually. And he did it on 5-14 shooting. He's a great player, which is why he can still score 16 points when he's forced to work VERY hard to get them. May was constantly on Hummel's hip, and had a hand in his face on nearly every shot. You can't play better defense than May played on Hummel. That's why Hummel is a special player.
hawkfarmer
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I agree, but Hummel still had 16, doesn't matter how he got them. He obviously got fouled, if not by May then by someone helping on D most likely. I'm just saying I don't think May is a talent that should be starting for Iowa, let alone playing much, if you give up that much on O, for not a huge gain on D, why? JMO.
tm3308
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It absolutely matters how he got them. Hummel was not efficient at all in that game. More misses=more chances for us to get a rebound and get to the other end of the floor. If a less-skilled defender takes on Hummel, maybe he drops 20+ on those 14 shots?
I'll take giving up 16 on 14 shots. That's an excellent defensive job, especially on a guy like Hummel.
hawkfarmer
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That's fine. You can have May for 1 or 2 games/year. I will take somebody else that can hopefully guard a smaller guard which is what May is, a guard. he's not a forward. It again goes to putting other players in bad mis matches. May got destroyed last night because he wasn't quick enough, but we needed him to guard a smaller guy due to McCabe and White needing to guard their bigs.
It's my opinion that May is not that good. deal with it. He has no offensive game at all and that isn't made up for by stellar defense, just average defense.
sportstalent
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Hansen was also the 2nd leading offensive rebounder for Iowa that season, so I am not sure that counter really holds a lot of water. Couple that with him contesting so many shots, it would explain his lower numbers on the defensive end.
Iowa has had one season, last year, since the 05-06 season where a guard hasn't averaged more than 4.0 rpg.
To me, it is a mentality by all players to contribute in that category and when every player does not buy into it, then those are the teams that get outrebounded all the time.
Also, I really don't know this, but do players get rebounds off of blocks? If that is the case, then it would make sense on guard numbers as well.
Moe2Lester
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May plays hard and does the most with what he has been given. With that said, he is not a Big10 basketball player. Who is more important for the future of Iowa basketball? A junior with limited basketball ability or a frosh that can stroke it when he gets more minutes. Same can be said for the Brommer and Gabe situation. Gabe is the future, or should I say has a chance to be the future. Brommer was given a chance and it didn't work. Time to move on in both cases. If Fran does not play Josh and Jabe more they should of just redshirted.
RocknRollface
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I didn't say he was a great offensive player.
I said he has a much more polished offensive skill set than May and the reason May is averaging more points is due to the two playing different roles.
Specifically May is a better defender which has kept him on the floor more often as where Josh comes in and is told to shoot and if he is not hitting he usually gets pulled pretty quick.
atomicblue224
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leave eric alone
..... carry on