I think it's time to get May off the court.

[jacknicholson]

Season ticket guy...see all home games in person. I won't get into the argument about who should start...it has been done to death. However, I think a point to be made is how well coach M. has handled players' minutes on the floor. I don't see any pouting; I don't see any lack of energy when kids get on the floor, even for a few minutes. He is playing a lot of people; more than I can recall in Iowa BB for a number of years. That is ultimately good, but pretty tricky when everyone wants more minutes. Example: Brommer is a senior; he knows he won't play a lot of minutes at this point in his career; but, when he goes in, he gives it everything he's got...I admire him and Coach's ability to keep him involved. This issue will become even more interesting to watch next year, with some nice potential talent coming in and a lot of returning players who will want to continue or increase their minutes. I trust coach M. to keep them pretty happy: The players trust him, and that is the bottom line.

BTW: I have thought through the Basabe deal and quite frankly, have no clue what has happened with him. Nothing about that makes any sense.
I just hope for the kid's sake that he can get it together; obviously, that would also improve the team as a whole. Feel bad for him.

Good post, Doc.....

Fran is doing very well with what he has to work with.....

Basabe is a mystery to me. His head seems to be elsewhere.....

 

[sioux34]

Different roles. May is a nonfactor on O, he doesn't do much of anything unless he is wide open. May is in the game for defense.

Josh is asked to come in and try to make jump shots which results in a higher difficulty of shot selection.

Anyone with even an average grasp of bball can see the difference in their skill level on offense.

I disagree. They are being asked to fill the same slot on the team. May is shooting a better percentage both from behind the arc and inside it. Whose fault is it if May makes better shot selections. Add in May's rebounding and steals and again I say, he is leading Josh in all categories.

 

[koolhandlick]

You leave Basabe in the starting lineup because he doesnt seem like the kind of guy that would do well coming off the bench. In my opinion. Plus, and take this FWIW, Fran says he's getting it done in practice and thats why he continues to start.

Still, Fran's comments after the game the other night lends me to believe the time may be coming sooner rather than later that he benches Basabe.

If Basabe can only score 1 or 2 points a game why play him at all ?

 

[sportstalent]

Actually Hansen was a great shotblocker but a terrible rebounder, everyone else on that team picked up the slack in that department.

Not sure if a great shot blocker can be considered a "terrible" rebounder...he averaged 4.0 rpg. Brunner - 9.2, Thomas - 4.6, Haluska - 4.7, Horner - 4.2. Iowa outrebounded opponents by rebounding as a team, unlike the Hawks of today.

Classifying him as a terrible rebounder is sort of unfair given the players that were around him and the effort that was put toward the boards.

Also contesting and blocking as many shots as he did, it eliminates some of those rebounding chances.

 

[tm3308]

Not sure if a great shot blocker can be considered a "terrible" rebounder...he averaged 4.0 rpg. Brunner - 9.2, Thomas - 4.6, Haluska - 4.7, Horner - 4.2. Iowa outrebounded opponents by rebounding as a team, unlike the Hawks of today.

Classifying him as a terrible rebounder is sort of unfair given the players that were around him and the effort that was put toward the boards.

Also contesting and blocking as many shots as he did, it eliminates some of those rebounding chances.

The counter to that is that he was a terrible rebounder, relative to how most players in his position tend to rebound (particularly if they have height). Perhaps there was more emphasis put on guards hitting the glass to make up for what we lost in rebounding at the 5 spot?

 

[glidinghawk]

PG - Cartwright
SG - Marble
SF - Gatens
PF - McCabe
C - Archie

White is 6th off the bench and should get no fewer than 20 minutes, and Basabe is the main man #7 and should get no fewer than 15 minutes.

Iowa should rely heavily on the 7 man rotation when possible, while Brommer, Oglesby and May get 5 to 10 minutes each per game and stick to their roles.

 

[0520hawkeyes]

I'm not bashing or anything, but it's time. He has no value at the moment except off the bench. He doesn't score alot of points and is not a scoring threat and he hasn't impressed me on the defensive side either.

Whats wrong with this lineup? I feel like Gatens could handle the SF spot in an up tempo offense. He has the upper body strength to be fine there. Very quick hands on defense too. I also think Oglesby could shoot lights out if he had more time to prove himself.

PG-Marble
SG-Oglesby
SF-Gatens
PF-White
C-Basabe

 

[RocknRollface]

I disagree. They are being asked to fill the same slot on the team. May is shooting a better percentage both from behind the arc and inside it. Whose fault is it if May makes better shot selections. Add in May's rebounding and steals and again I say, he is leading Josh in all categories.

Ill stick with my original thought.

Anyone with a basic grasp of basketball can see a significant difference in skill level.

Josh is not putting it together effectively yet but you can see the tools are there, the shots just arent falling for him.

Offensively May has the skill of a wrestler. Hes sad to watch on O. He struggles to make even the simplest of plays.

Just because someone plays the same spot does not mean they are asked to do the same things.

When Devon Archie comes in at center for Zack McCabe are you under the impression that they are being asked to do the same things on offense?

 

[sioux34]

Is Archie leading McCabe in all offensive categories? If not your analogy is wrong.

 

[Tmoney12]

I disagree. They are being asked to fill the same slot on the team. May is shooting a better percentage both from behind the arc and inside it. Whose fault is it if May makes better shot selections. Add in May's rebounding and steals and again I say, he is leading Josh in all categories.

Ill stick with my original thought. Anyone with a basic grasp of basketball can see a significant difference in skill level.Josh is not putting it together effectively yet but you can see the tools are there, the shots just arent falling for him. Offensively May has the skill of a wrestler. Hes sad to watch on O. He struggles to make even the simplest of plays. Just because someone plays the same spot does not mean they are asked to do the same things.When Devon Archie comes in at center for Zack McCabe are you under the impression that they are being asked to do the same things on offense?

I get what you are saying. If JO shoots you expect it to go in, if May shoots you expect him to miss. JO is in a shooters slump and he is looks hesitant. Gonna bet if he didn't look hesitant and was in a slump he would play more.

When I guy like Josh loses his faith in the J then it hurts his value to the team. Stats don't lie. That being said i expect JO to have Justin Johnson/Brody Boyd hot streaks before his career is over.

 

[RocknRollface]

Is Archie leading McCabe in all offensive categories? If not your analogy is wrong.

Your missing the point entirely.

You are arguing that May and Ogelsby have the same "role" just because they play the same position.

My example clearly demonstrates the absurdity of that argument. McCabe and Archie are totally different players yet both play center.

Ogelsby is a more skilled offensive player than May.

 

[shada]

May's on-ball defense is VERY good. The lineup you just posted is damn weak defensively. White and Oglesby are not starting-caliber on the defensive end right now, which is where we're struggling the most. Plus, not having McCabe in the starting 5 at this point is just ridiculous. He has more than held his own at the 5 spot.

And Oglesby hasn't done much offensively this year, either. That's not to say he never will, but he's done nothing in his time on the floor that screams "START ME!!!" He's a solid role player off the bench for right now, and his role is as a shooter.

Each player has a specific role. Just because May might only chip in 5 points doesn't mean he has no value as a starter. When May, Marble, and Gatens are on the floor, we have three good on-ball defenders out there. There is a LOT of value in that.

Seriously, one bad game, and we have new posters calling for lineup changes.

His on the ball defense was good two years ago. He is a very average defender. He got beat numerous times to the middle today and that led to wide open 3's or dunks with people helping. There is no point in him playing. Play Josh more and get the youth more minutes.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

Is Archie leading McCabe in all offensive categories? If not your analogy is wrong.

Are you really serious with this or just playing devils advocate?


May has no confidence in his shot and refuses to take wide out shots often.

May has never had a game in his career like how JO shot tonight.

Trying to compare their shooting abilities by lookin at % is pretty funny.

I supposed next your goign to tell me that Shaq is a better shooter than Larry Bird because he has a better career %

May is more atheltic than Josh and stronger

a better defender? ya

But as a shooter Josh is a serious threat and can drop in 7 threes in a night.

Saying May is a better shooter is asinine

 

[ICHAWK]

Well I guess tonight he was effectively "off the court" considering he only played 5 minutes.

Brommer only got 2 minutes with Archie and Gabe playing more.

 

[Foval21]

i thought i heard a comment that may is hurt. i wonder if he has been trying to play hurt and that is why his defense has slipped. the comments about conmparing him and ogelsby on offense are sad josh is better. but offense isnt what iowa needs it is defense and the guys that took the minutes from may tonight (bc and ogelsby) are bad defenders and cant rebound as well as him. what were our problems tonight defense and rebounding. doesnt matter if you score 89 when you give up 100+. may is needed.

 

[tm3308]

Are you really serious with this or just playing devils advocate?


May has no confidence in his shot and refuses to take wide out shots often.

May has never had a game in his career like how JO shot tonight.

Trying to compare their shooting abilities by lookin at % is pretty funny.

I supposed next your goign to tell me that Shaq is a better shooter than Larry Bird because he has a better career %

May is more atheltic than Josh and stronger

a better defender? ya

But as a shooter Josh is a serious threat and can drop in 7 threes in a night.

Saying May is a better shooter is asinine

I'll preface this post with the following: Josh finally unveiled the sort of stuff he's capable of doing tonight, and it was exciting to see even if it didn't have an impact on the outcome. For right now, he should have a starting spot, or at least get starter's minutes, so that he can more consistently get into a rhythm.

But prior to tonight, shooting percentages were all we had to go on. And Oglesby had been a shooter who wasn't hitting shots. That's kind of a big red flag when it comes to doling out PT.

 

[ICHAWK]

I'll preface this post with the following: Josh finally unveiled the sort of stuff he's capable of doing tonight, and it was exciting to see even if it didn't have an impact on the outcome. For right now, he should have a starting spot, or at least get starter's minutes, so that he can more consistently get into a rhythm.

But prior to tonight, shooting percentages were all we had to go on. And Oglesby had been a shooter who wasn't hitting shots. That's kind of a big red flag when it comes to doling out PT.

I don't know if he needs to start but he needs to be getting at least 20 minutes a game. I think for him adjusting to spotty playing time is what is hurting him. He also had a TON of shots that just rolled out earlier in the Big 10 season as well. You could tell by watching him he was just a tad off, it's not like he was bricking shots. He is used to playing a full game from high school and probably needs to get into the flow of the game and get a sweat going before he is comfortable.

Josh showed you what he can do when given consistent minutes.

He has a great feel for the game, passes well and actually has the chance to be an ok defender. I think he does a good job of giving guys some space to make up for not being quite as quick but he moves his feet decently. Once he gets stronger I think his defense gets better.

 

[CGHawk]

I'm not trying to bash May here, but is his defense really that impressive this year?

Maybe I just have not watched him on defense closely enough, but I personally have not noticed his defense being that great.

In my opinion, Marble and Gatens are better defenders than May and I haven't seen May play significantly better defense than a few others this year.

I have no problems with defensive specialists getting playing time, because I really like defense. I just can't really remember too many times this year where I found myself saying "Wow, that May is really good at defense" and of course he isn't very effective offensively, but I don't expect him to be if he is in there to play lockdown defense.

The question is... Is his defense this year good enough to be getting playing time over someone who is more of shooter/scorer?

 

[atomicblue224]

I get what you are saying. If JO shoots you expect it to go in, if May shoots you expect him to miss. JO is in a shooters slump and he is looks hesitant. Gonna bet if he didn't look hesitant and was in a slump he would play more.

When I guy like Josh loses his faith in the J then it hurts his value to the team. Stats don't lie. That being said i expect JO to have Justin Johnson/Brody Boyd hot streaks before his career is over.

i think he just had that steak last night

 

[Tmoney12]

I get what you are saying. If JO shoots you expect it to go in, if May shoots you expect him to miss. JO is in a shooters slump and he is looks hesitant. Gonna bet if he didn't look hesitant and was in a slump he would play more.When I guy like Josh loses his faith in the J then it hurts his value to the team. Stats don't lie. That being said i expect JO to have Justin Johnson/Brody Boyd hot streaks before his career is over.

i think he just had that steak last night

Sometimes my skills are Miss Cleo like.