AZHAWKFAN1
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I believe the OP needs an enema because he is clearly full of sh!t!
I think it's time to get May off the court.
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Season ticket guy...see all home games in person. I won't get into the argument about who should start...it has been done to death. However, I think a point to be made is how well coach M. has handled players' minutes on the floor. I don't see any pouting; I don't see any lack of energy when kids get on the floor, even for a few minutes. He is playing a lot of people; more than I can recall in Iowa BB for a number of years. That is ultimately good, but pretty tricky when everyone wants more minutes. Example: Brommer is a senior; he knows he won't play a lot of minutes at this point in his career; but, when he goes in, he gives it everything he's got...I admire him and Coach's ability to keep him involved. This issue will become even more interesting to watch next year, with some nice potential talent coming in and a lot of returning players who will want to continue or increase their minutes. I trust coach M. to keep them pretty happy: The players trust him, and that is the bottom line.
BTW: I have thought through the Basabe deal and quite frankly, have no clue what has happened with him. Nothing about that makes any sense.
I just hope for the kid's sake that he can get it together; obviously, that would also improve the team as a whole. Feel bad for him.
BTW: I have thought through the Basabe deal and quite frankly, have no clue what has happened with him. Nothing about that makes any sense.
I just hope for the kid's sake that he can get it together; obviously, that would also improve the team as a whole. Feel bad for him.
If May starts next year, Iowa is in big trouble.
Gesell
Ogs
Marble
McCabe or Basabe
Woody
McCabe is playing great, but I'm starting to fear people are assuming that this recent hot streak is what we can expect out of McCabe regularly.
If Basabe gets right, he'll start, if he doesn't, McCabe will.
Gesell
Ogs
Marble
McCabe or Basabe
Woody
McCabe is playing great, but I'm starting to fear people are assuming that this recent hot streak is what we can expect out of McCabe regularly.
If Basabe gets right, he'll start, if he doesn't, McCabe will.
tm3308
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This! Oglesby has one marketable skill right now: shooting. And he's been too timid to give us very much of it. He's done nothing that demands a starting spot yet. I think he's going to be very good one day, but let's not jump the gun.
Oglesby has shown a pretty nice pull-up jumper this year. He's pretty strong off two or three dribbles and pulling up. Far more advanced at this than Gatens was a freshman. He's also shown a turn-a-round jump shot at times.
I think the skill-set is there to be a multi-dimension shooter. Nice stand-still shot, but also capable of getting his own shot off shot-fakes and pull-ups. His passing skills are fairly advanced for this type of player as well. Right now the game is just moving too fast for him. As he gets more experienced, the game will slow down, and he will be find. Kind of like McCabe, neither a great athletes, but each have a nice skill-set. McCabe just needed to get accustomed to speed and athleticism of the Big 10, same with Oglesby.
He's probably a year or two away. Might see him make some substantial progress towards middle of Big 10 next year and hopefully is strong come his junior year. I like his overall skill-set.
IowaHawkeye2010
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Maybe it has been a long time since many of you played organized basketball, but defense is not a one man thing especially in College or high school. Maybe in the NBA where talent is at a premium and isolation or two man sets are more pronounced. Yes, on the ball defense is a great skill and can greatly help your team defense as help is not needed as often.
As regards to May being out of position it may be the same thing that we saw with Prater in football, not trusting others so he goes to help and in the end looks like the one getting burnt. I would need to look at more game film here as I do not know this to be a fact.
A great example of poor team defense was this past week in the Neb game when White hedged a screen and Gatens was the on ball defender, with the shot clock running down mind you. White hedged the screen pretty hard and Gatens decided to follow in White's footsteps instead of going underneath White to take away the lane to the basket. The Neb player took advantage of this and drove in for an easy score with a couple seconds left on the shot clock. This is not an attack against Gatens just one of the first examples that popped into my head.
What is wrong with you man? Last time i checked brah, this is a blog site about Iowa sports. Some guy starts a thread about the basketball team and you make fun of him for it. What exactly are you trying to say? That people shouldn't have opinions? You didn't comment on the nature of the thread, you just made fun of somebody for voicing their opinion. Obviously, Fran isn't taking the advice of some rando from Hawkeyenation.com, so if that is your point... then okay, we get it.
tm3308
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Agreed on all counts. He's more advanced at this stage than Gatens, but Gatens played on a far worse team as a freshman than Oglesby is on now. He's going to be a good player, but he's not there yet, and until his play demands a starting spot, I wouldn't be putting him in the lineup over May.
sioux34
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I think his point was it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to post and remove all doubt. Ogelsby has not demonstrated more ability in any statistically measurable area. The OP left McCabe out of the starting line up when he has been by far the most effective player on the court the last few games, and he left Basabe in the starting line up when he has done nothing for nearly a month.
sportstalent
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Why are we talking about who is a better defender for Iowa? Iowa doesn't have any individual defenders...period. The times Iowa has played solid defense it isn't because of one player or the other, it is because they actually rotated and helped properly. Also, it traslated into Iowa having hands in the faces of the shooters, something Iowa hasn't done agains Purdue twice and Nebraska Thursday.
It doesn't matter how many shots Nebraska made in the last few seconds of the shot clock, a lot of them weren't contested.
A team's defense looks better when they have a concept of rebounding as well. There are only two players on Iowa's roster that have a concept of rebounding White and Basabe. McCabe has played well this season, but he does not rebound like he should. He may be getting numbers, but he does not block out all the time and doesn't always go after loose balls on rebounds. This is most of Iowa's players, especially the guards.
Iowa's issues on defense are lack of help and lack of dominating the glass on the defensive end. Iowa doesn't have a lockdown defender, or they would have done it against either Purdue or Nebraska when everyone knew who was going to get the ball.
May is far from it, he has great in-line speed, but no lateral quickness. Gatens trys hard and can play solid positional defense, but guys that have a jumper render him ineffective.
The best individual defender on the team is Marble, his issue is that he is guarding quicker guys right now, but he still plays good rotational and help defense and isn't afraid to go after defensive rebounds. That said, he still is not a lock down guy.
The conepts of defense look lost at Iowa right now, but they have for years...not sure why, but in my lifetime I don't remember Iowa ever being a good defensive team.
It doesn't matter how many shots Nebraska made in the last few seconds of the shot clock, a lot of them weren't contested.
A team's defense looks better when they have a concept of rebounding as well. There are only two players on Iowa's roster that have a concept of rebounding White and Basabe. McCabe has played well this season, but he does not rebound like he should. He may be getting numbers, but he does not block out all the time and doesn't always go after loose balls on rebounds. This is most of Iowa's players, especially the guards.
Iowa's issues on defense are lack of help and lack of dominating the glass on the defensive end. Iowa doesn't have a lockdown defender, or they would have done it against either Purdue or Nebraska when everyone knew who was going to get the ball.
May is far from it, he has great in-line speed, but no lateral quickness. Gatens trys hard and can play solid positional defense, but guys that have a jumper render him ineffective.
The best individual defender on the team is Marble, his issue is that he is guarding quicker guys right now, but he still plays good rotational and help defense and isn't afraid to go after defensive rebounds. That said, he still is not a lock down guy.
The conepts of defense look lost at Iowa right now, but they have for years...not sure why, but in my lifetime I don't remember Iowa ever being a good defensive team.
I completely agree with you. The original post was idiotic. I don't think the OPoster knows any basketball, he doesn't give off that vibe anyway.
But that wasn't the point. The point is that I've seen way to many comments just like the one made by (username) IOWA. I have to ask IOWA, WHY ARE YOU ON A SPORTS BLOG SITE? You commentary style is stupid and it undermines the concept of the blog. According to IOWA, none of us should say anything really, might as well turn off the computer. This isn't communism man, you don't need to be afraid that big brother's going to hear what you say (I mean, to an extent).
No IOWA, no one is expecting their opinions to enter the locker room, or coaches office. You've heard all of the idiots that call in to sound off after every football game and talk about how they'd be a better OC than O'keefe? Yes, they are fools and wrong, but they still get a chance to say what they want to say. It's sound off!
It seems like you are fed up with people's opinions and you think this whole institution of blogging is stupid. So, why do you have an account at HN?
Section136
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The 05-06 Hawks were a damn good defensive team. They were very high in the nation in FG% defense and points allowed per 100 possessions. Erek Hansen was named Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year that season as well.
sportstalent
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One year in my 20+ seasons of watching Iowa basketball...nice job
Coincdently, they had a real center that year, who contested shots and rebounded very well.
Historically, Iowa has not been a strong defensive team FG% wise, but there have been times that Iowa has been right up there in steals.
jacknicholson
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May's D is essential.....
His experience is needed.....
He can score on occasion.....
Josh is getting better on D as the season goes on.....
I do wish Josh would shoot when open. His turnaround-fade-away-jump shot is a thing of beauty. Reminds me of Oscar Robertson's jump shot.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecgwZVnvPIc
Josh is sure-handed with the ball and is a very nice passer.....
His experience is needed.....
He can score on occasion.....
Josh is getting better on D as the season goes on.....
I do wish Josh would shoot when open. His turnaround-fade-away-jump shot is a thing of beauty. Reminds me of Oscar Robertson's jump shot.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecgwZVnvPIc
Josh is sure-handed with the ball and is a very nice passer.....
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hawkeye12345
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There is zero chance that White is not starting next year. There is the same likelihood that Marble isn't starting next year too. Basabe is Fran's guy so its highly likely that he will be starting too. That leaves the PG and C position up for grabs as neither White nor Basabe. Those three add height and athleticism that we haven't seen since the George Raveling and early Mr. Davis days. They will pose a serious nightmare for defenders as they will be taller than most players that are guarding them or quicker than the heavy PFs that we see in the league.
Those three lock down the wings and PF.
McCabe will have a ton of experience and will likely add another 10-15 pounds of muscle. He will be the starter at the C position early on while Woodbury, Meyer and Olaseni gain an understanding of the O and D. Until Woodbury, Meyer, Olaseni or McCabe establish themselves as the clear leader at the C position we will likely see those guys rotate quite a bit.
Marble is a PG/Wing. Fran likes to have two PGs on the floor at the same time. Expect Gesell or Clemmons to be in the lineup prior to the season starting. I expect it to be Gesell because the kid is that good.
When season starts:
PG - Gesell
Wing - Marble
SF / Wing - White
PF - Basabe
C - McCabe
Big10 season
PG - Gesell 6'2"
Wing - Marble 6'6"
SF / Wing - White 6'8"
PF - Basabe 6'7"
C - Woodbury - 7'0"
On the outside looking in;
May - he is too short to play the PF or SF position and doesn't have good enough handles or spot up shooting ability to play the wing. He will still get some minutes but will not be in the starting lineup even early in the season.
Oglesby - he is a pure shooter. He will be used as a pure shooter but will not start as pure shooters rarely get starter minutes unless they are sic good at other aspects of the game. He will get minutes but 7-10 minutes.
Olaseni - He clearly isn't good enough to be in there even this year when we are undersized. Unless he packs on some serious weight and establishes himself as an inside defender he will quickly get passed over by Woodbury and Meyer. It would not surprise me to see him redshirt next year. Its really not a bad thing to have several skilled big men on the roster.
Craft 6'2" Gesell 6'2"
Smith 6'4" Marble 6'6"
Buford 6'6" White 6'8"
Thomas 6'7" Basabe 6'7"
Sullinger 6'9" Woodbury - 7'0"
Those three lock down the wings and PF.
McCabe will have a ton of experience and will likely add another 10-15 pounds of muscle. He will be the starter at the C position early on while Woodbury, Meyer and Olaseni gain an understanding of the O and D. Until Woodbury, Meyer, Olaseni or McCabe establish themselves as the clear leader at the C position we will likely see those guys rotate quite a bit.
Marble is a PG/Wing. Fran likes to have two PGs on the floor at the same time. Expect Gesell or Clemmons to be in the lineup prior to the season starting. I expect it to be Gesell because the kid is that good.
When season starts:
PG - Gesell
Wing - Marble
SF / Wing - White
PF - Basabe
C - McCabe
Big10 season
PG - Gesell 6'2"
Wing - Marble 6'6"
SF / Wing - White 6'8"
PF - Basabe 6'7"
C - Woodbury - 7'0"
On the outside looking in;
May - he is too short to play the PF or SF position and doesn't have good enough handles or spot up shooting ability to play the wing. He will still get some minutes but will not be in the starting lineup even early in the season.
Oglesby - he is a pure shooter. He will be used as a pure shooter but will not start as pure shooters rarely get starter minutes unless they are sic good at other aspects of the game. He will get minutes but 7-10 minutes.
Olaseni - He clearly isn't good enough to be in there even this year when we are undersized. Unless he packs on some serious weight and establishes himself as an inside defender he will quickly get passed over by Woodbury and Meyer. It would not surprise me to see him redshirt next year. Its really not a bad thing to have several skilled big men on the roster.
Craft 6'2" Gesell 6'2"
Smith 6'4" Marble 6'6"
Buford 6'6" White 6'8"
Thomas 6'7" Basabe 6'7"
Sullinger 6'9" Woodbury - 7'0"
RocknRollface
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Ogelsby is a much much better ball handler than May, its not even comparable.
Ogelsby is capable of creating his own shots and has show so plenty of times this season. He doesn't get all the way to the rim but he can use the bounce, head fake, and step back to get his shot off.
Josh is miles ahead on offense in general.
May does not belong in a major conference basketball game.
sioux34
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And yet May leads Josh in every statistical category.
RocknRollface
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Wow, that is a good post and absolutely correct.
Iowa has nothing but average to below average defenders for the big ten.
Arguing who is the best out of the average defenders is pointless.
The last good on ball defender Iowa had at guard was Mike Henderson
RocknRollface
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One year in my 20+ seasons of watching Iowa basketball...nice job
Coincdently, they had a real center that year, who contested shots and rebounded very well.
Historically, Iowa has not been a strong defensive team FG% wise, but there have been times that Iowa has been right up there in steals.
Actually Hansen was a great shotblocker but a terrible rebounder, everyone else on that team picked up the slack in that department.
RocknRollface
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Different roles. May is a nonfactor on O, he doesn't do much of anything unless he is wide open. May is in the game for defense.
Josh is asked to come in and try to make jump shots which results in a higher difficulty of shot selection.
Anyone with even an average grasp of bball can see the difference in their skill level on offense.
