I think I understand the January depth chart

lightning1

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It took me long enough but yeah, I got it. KF can't afford another Rahbdo incident, so he cannot physically/mentally crush the "fat cats" in the off season, like he used to do. So, he's releasing a depth chart to serve notice to any under performing players, that they better work their tales off and come into summer camp ready to play, or else. HawkeyeMHA made the comment that " the actual players on it are really concerning ", in reference to the depth chart. I noticed several players that I thought should have been on the depth chart but were conspicuously absent.
Darian Cooper
Ryan Ward
Melvin Spears
Riley McMinn
Just to name a few. I'm sure there are more players that KF is trying to get a message to but I don't think this is going to be as effective as he thinks. You can whip a quarter horse until the cows come home but it will never win the Kentucky Derby. It's just not cut from the same cloth.
That's how I see it anyway.
 
Maybe he is trying to be honest with all the players that are thinking about transfering. Here is where you stand right now. Go do with the information what you want.
 
I think you may have something there. No body is guaranteed a starting spot, if you want it you have to earn it.
 
Maybe he is trying to be honest with all the players that are thinking about transfering. Here is where you stand right now. Go do with the information what you want.
I thought about that but running players off will not help this program in the near future. We lack talent and depth, so I doubt this is an attempt to run players off. If he had done this 4 years ago, I could see it as a possibility.
 
I think you may have something there. No body is guaranteed a starting spot, if you want it you have to earn it.

Okay, but then wouldn't a 'TBD' in each position work? Just don't fill one out. No one has earned a spot, yet.

Would the projected starting spots get lazy, then, if laziness was the question?

I don't necessarily disagree, though, finn.


Edit: dang these posts go fast.
 
KF is, IMO, trying to reinvent himself. Probably the 3rd time he's done that. (1)Around 2002. (2)The 2005-2008 season. (3)And now. That 2008 season with Tate at QB was as bad as it gets and may have been the reason why KF is so reluctant to allow CJ to be the QB. I'm rambling..

A reinvention of KF means, IMO, KF doing something to benefit the team and not necessarily doing something he likes to do as coach.

KF is not flipping the bird at Iowa fans. He's trying to preserve his legacy... for whatever reason.He sees the talent coming back this season and realizes he needs to put actual talent on the field.
 
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It took me long enough but yeah, I got it. KF can't afford another Rahbdo incident, so he cannot physically/mentally crush the "fat cats" in the off season, like he used to do. So, he's releasing a depth chart to serve notice to any under performing players, that they better work their tales off and come into summer camp ready to play, or else. HawkeyeMHA made the comment that " the actual players on it are really concerning ", in reference to the depth chart. I noticed several players that I thought should have been on the depth chart but were conspicuously absent.
Darian Cooper
Ryan Ward
Melvin Spears
Riley McMinn
Just to name a few. I'm sure there are more players that KF is trying to get a message to but I don't think this is going to be as effective as he thinks. You can whip a quarter horse until the cows come home but it will never win the Kentucky Derby. It's just not cut from the same cloth.
That's how I see it anyway.

Really you think this is to serve notice to his players? This has nothing to do with players! If this is true KF is absolutely toast.

IMO Kirk Ferentz returned to a different Iowa City Vibe and he is feeling the heat lightning. It's put up or shut up time for KF in 2015, message was sent loud n clear. This isn't about motivating players.
 
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It took me long enough but yeah, I got it. KF can't afford another Rahbdo incident, so he cannot physically/mentally crush the "fat cats" in the off season, like he used to do. So, he's releasing a depth chart to serve notice to any under performing players, that they better work their tales off and come into summer camp ready to play, or else. HawkeyeMHA made the comment that " the actual players on it are really concerning ", in reference to the depth chart. I noticed several players that I thought should have been on the depth chart but were conspicuously absent.
Darian Cooper
Ryan Ward
Melvin Spears
Riley McMinn
Just to name a few. I'm sure there are more players that KF is trying to get a message to but I don't think this is going to be as effective as he thinks. You can whip a quarter horse until the cows come home but it will never win the Kentucky Derby. It's just not cut from the same cloth.
That's how I see it anyway.

Sure. Except that Cooper had surgery, McMinn was injured and likely career is over, not positive but pretty sure Spears was injured as well. Not sure about Ward. So yeah, I think you're on to something.
 
KF is, IMO, trying to reinvent himself. Probably the 3rd time he's done that. (1)Around 2002. (2)The 2005-2008 season. (3)And now. That 2008 season with Tate at QB was as bad as it gets and may have been the reason why KF is so reluctant to allow CJ to be the QB. I'm rambling..

A reinvention of KF means, IMO, KF doing something to benefit the team and not necessarily doing something he likes to do as coach.

KF is not flipping the bird at Iowa fans. He's trying to preserve his legacy... for whatever reason.He sees the talent coming back this season and realizes he needs to put actual talent on the field.

KF has never reinvented himself, certainly not in 2002.

The only significant change he's ever made was new coordinators three years ago.

Why on earth would Drew Tate, who graduated in 2006 and was a 3 year starter, have any way of negatively influencing KFs view of C J?
 
I personally think the CJ Bethard situation has a lot to do with it. I think he may be or could have been on the fence about transferring & not sure what to believe from Ferentz & KF may be doing this as a way to reach out to CJ to trust him. Couple that with the point about underperformers so KF thought worthy to do. Yes, KF may be rebranding himself a bit or the way he does things. He has to change as well.
 
Sure. Except that Cooper had surgery, McMinn was injured and likely career is over, not positive but pretty sure Spears was injured as well. Not sure about Ward. So yeah, I think you're on to something.
Those injuries are only relevant if they keep those players out of spring practice. The players I listed are just the players that I thought should have been on the depth chart but weren't. I'm not saying that KF released those names as players that need to be worried.
 
KF is, IMO, trying to reinvent himself. Probably the 3rd time he's done that. (1)Around 2002. (2)The 2005-2008 season. (3)And now. That 2008 season with Tate at QB was as bad as it gets and may have been the reason why KF is so reluctant to allow CJ to be the QB. I'm rambling..

Tate's last year was 2006, and he played injured most of the year.

Apart from that, your post is a winner.

:rolleyes:
 
Copper or Cooper?

Cooper had season ending surgery before the season even started.

I wouldn't read too much into this two deep depth chart.


Yea that was the joke. Guess since you thumbs downed me you either didn't get it or didn't think I was funny. :)
 
KF has never reinvented himself, certainly not in 2002.

The only significant change he's ever made was new coordinators three years ago.

Why on earth would Drew Tate, who graduated in 2006 and was a 3 year starter, have any way of negatively influencing KFs view of C J?
You're right, Tate was QB at Iowa from 2003-2006, and not 2005-2008 as I'd reported in a previous. Tate's last year, 2006, when Iowa ended it's season at Minnesota with a loss, a mediocre record, and no bowl game (as I remember), was a season KF allowed Tate to 'sling' Iowa's offense around. KF 'allowed' Tate to sling Iowa's offense for most of Tate's tenure at Iowa. (1)The 2003-2006 Iowa season was one instance of KF reinventing himself because KF desires a conservative offense. (2)Around 2002 when KF allowed Brad Banks to QB Iowa to the Rose Bowl, was another instance KF reinvented himself from his preferred conservative offense. (3) If CJ starts for Iowa in 2015, it will be another reinvention of KF's conservative offense.

All these, IMO, reinventions of KF deal with offensive changes. All for different reasons. Around 2002 to get his program at Iowa off the ground? In 2003-2006 to keep Tate, at Iowa?
Now with CJ? To keep CJ at Iowa. Probably to keep GD. Maybe to entice some athletic recruits to come to Iowa and catch CJ's passes (could be more of a GD desire)? Maybe to keep some WRs at Iowa (could be more of a GD desire)? Keeping CJ at Iowa for the 2015 season will satisfy many more corollary reasons for football success than when Tate was kept at Iowa.

Why do I think Iowa's record with Tate as QB in 2006 had/has an effect on KF's dealings with CJ? CJ is gonna sling the ball around. KF likes conservative offense. KF didn't like the result of Tate's slinging of the ball in 2006 (at least 2006).

Most of the time when posters refer to KF's reinventions they're actually referring to KF's reloadings. The team gets better. Usually it's because the defense 'executes better'.

KF has never reinvented himself by changing the 'norm' of his preferred defense. If he announces changes to his defense on Wednesday, there's definitely a scoop for you.
 
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Most agree the program needs change.... A January depth chart is a small change and I'm not sure I understand it but bring on whatever else change you can bring... let's give it a whirl!!
 

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