SteveGarvey1
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Kirk has had winning seasons with Iowa, thus far with the Rams, Jeff Fisher has not.
I should know, I am a Rams fan.
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Kirk has had winning seasons with Iowa, thus far with the Rams, Jeff Fisher has not.
I should know, I am a Rams fan.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
I just love that people just brush aside the fact Kirk went 34-30 the 5 seasons prior to last year. blah blah blah
Agreed.
Also just for comparison purposes of course-
Fry
7.15W- 4.45L over 20 seasons
1 outright and 2 tied B1G championships
6 Bowl wins in 20 seasons
Just as you brush aside the greatest regular season in the history of the program. See how that works......
HawkGold
Well-Known Member
Greatest season with no great victories?
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Seriously, if MSU is ever dumb enough to can Dantonio, we need to grab him.
Dantonio:
9.66W - 3.66L over 9 seasons at MSU
2 outright B1G Championships / 1 tied B1G Championship
4 B1G Division Championships
4 Bowl wins in 9 seasons
Ferentz:
7.52W - 5.11L over 17 seasons at Iowa
2 tied B1G Championships in '02 & '04
1 B1G Division Championship
6 Bowl wins in 17 seasons
Keep in mind, Dantonio took on a MSU in essentially the same state that Ferentz took on at Iowa at the time.
Michigan State
2003: 8-5, 4th place in conf
2004: 5-7, 5th place in conf
2005: 5-6, 9th place in conf
2006: 4-8, 10th place in conf
2007: Dantonio took over
Iowa
1995: 8-4, 6th place in conf
1996: 9-3, 3rd place in conf
1997: 7-5, 6th place in conf
1998: 3-8, 7th place in conf
1999: Ferentz took over
Dantonio:
9.66W - 3.66L over 9 seasons at MSU
2 outright B1G Championships / 1 tied B1G Championship
4 B1G Division Championships
4 Bowl wins in 9 seasons
Ferentz:
7.52W - 5.11L over 17 seasons at Iowa
2 tied B1G Championships in '02 & '04
1 B1G Division Championship
6 Bowl wins in 17 seasons
Keep in mind, Dantonio took on a MSU in essentially the same state that Ferentz took on at Iowa at the time.
Michigan State
2003: 8-5, 4th place in conf
2004: 5-7, 5th place in conf
2005: 5-6, 9th place in conf
2006: 4-8, 10th place in conf
2007: Dantonio took over
Iowa
1995: 8-4, 6th place in conf
1996: 9-3, 3rd place in conf
1997: 7-5, 6th place in conf
1998: 3-8, 7th place in conf
1999: Ferentz took over
NikeHawk21
Well-Known Member
For the life of me I will never be able to understand this concept.
UW is averaging 9.125 wins since 2000. That mark I'm sure is good for top 15 status maybe even better in college FB. That's the level of success Iowa should strive for.
Iowa is below 8 (7.93) wins per season.
Why can Iowa not sustain success at the level of a UW? Sure Madison is a better city than IC, but in terms or fanbase, facilities, schedule, etc. they are very similar. Why has UW been able to overcome these perceived barriers to success while Iowa has not?
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Key words being "regular season." Cuz they didn't even win a conference championship or a bowl game that effin year. In 17 years, Ferentz still has not won an outright conference championship.
Yes they are. Iowa and MSU are pretty pretty much mirror images. If you look at the small snap shot in the most recent of history, like a dolt, you won't get it. Overall...its Iowa 23-21-2. Even during your selective snap shot of time that you find so amusing, iowa has won 2, msu 3. I don't understand how much clearer it can be.
I also understand 'jock sniffers' like you have an agenda, and lack of understanding that won't change.
DBAHawkFan
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Starts from the top of their Athletic Department. They demand winning, and while Barry is very overbearing and has conflicted with a few coaches there, the program he has built works.
We've had one coach in your comparison, and they've had four. WI wins the games they are supposed to at a much better rate than Iowa.
Think about Iowa's overall record since 2000 if we haven't lost to:
ISU EIGHT TIMES!!!
And to save space, the number of games lost where we were double digit favorites.
You eliminate most of those bad losses, and we probably are right there with WI. But we can't change that, just as our staff doesn't change their philosophy
Joshbrown
Well-Known Member
Fewer scandals
Beat lesser opponents
Owned Wisky/Northwestern/Iowa State
Bigger mountain to climb
Lower contract demands
More fun to watch
Bigger legend
Didn't believe in moral victories
Also just for comparison purposes of course
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tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Using that logic, the vast majority of football programs are mirror images of each other. But, some of us choose not to live decades ago. Get it?
For me, the biggest issue is that last year we seemed to see some change, a culture of winning. This year, it feels like the same stale product we saw the previous 5 years. Odd coaching decisions, not laying it all on the line, just doing what they always do and hoping the game stays close. Maybe it just feels that way, but with so many returning starters from a 12-0 team, I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to be very frustrated with a 6-6 follow up season and a recruiting class that appears to be falling apart. All the momentum we had seems to be lost.
No I don't think Iowa should be 10-2 every year, but 7-5 should be the floor, and maybe, just maybe when the schedule is really hard, and we are rebuilding an occasional 6-6. (and no we aren't rebuilding this year but will end up 6-6) So my expectation with the facilities we have and an allegedly top tier coach would be an average of 8-4. Clearly I expect too much.
No I don't think Iowa should be 10-2 every year, but 7-5 should be the floor, and maybe, just maybe when the schedule is really hard, and we are rebuilding an occasional 6-6. (and no we aren't rebuilding this year but will end up 6-6) So my expectation with the facilities we have and an allegedly top tier coach would be an average of 8-4. Clearly I expect too much.
MSU is pretty much a top 10 program over the last 5 years. It's dumb to say we should automatically be just as good as them no matter how good they are. If Saban stayed there and turned them into what Alabama is now, would people still say there is no reason we shouldn't be on par with them?
Now if MSU had an average 5 years and we were still way worse than them, I would understand the argument. But not when they are having the run they are right now. We can't automatically expect to be a top 10 team every year just because some random team that is normally on our level happens to have that success.
Now if MSU had an average 5 years and we were still way worse than them, I would understand the argument. But not when they are having the run they are right now. We can't automatically expect to be a top 10 team every year just because some random team that is normally on our level happens to have that success.
Sssshhhh keep that fact out of here, we need to be talking about our 12-2 season last year instead
jldhawk
Well-Known Member
You can't just look at head to head. I think those B1G championships and the overall record speaks volumes.
And why do you assholes always have to call people stupid or jock sniffers? Because we don't share your opinion you try to demean someone by calling them names? Who needs to get a get a grip? Deano and Cecil.........................
jldhawk
Well-Known Member
It absolutely was our greatest season, against one of the weakest schedules we have ever had so you kind of have to take with a grain of salt. However, the coaches still have to coach and the players have to execute and you need some luck. It was great for sure but had we played Michigan or OSU we would have lost. It wasn't even close to one of Kirk's best teams. Take off the rose colored glasses.
This is exactly right. And actually Wisky usually plays a tougher schedule many times cause they are willing to schedule the LSU/Bama games in the early part of the year. There are cold weather schools that have sustained long stretches of very good seasons and we could too. Now, 11 win seasons may not happen year after year but there's no reason why we can't have an uptick a little bit. Everyone says weather or facilities or cornfields for miles....anything they can think of. The facts are that IC is a recognized as a great college city. The education is really, really good. The facilities are tremendous now. Great gameday atmosphere most of the time. Iowa is the pro team of Iowa so if you like attention, you will get it being on the Hawkeye football team. The coaching staff is stable (good, bad or indifferent). NFL talent development. So what does that leave? Weather and scheme....can't change the weather. Remind me....If your aspirations are to play in the NFL, do they play/reside in cold weather cities? Then there's scheme... it is holding us back a bit. There are certain positions where it makes a lot of sense to come to Iowa. We know what those are. What's killing us right now are the skill positions. We don't get those kids because we don't utilize their talent. If we did, there would be a move upward in win %. Wouldn't take much. Just a philosophy switch by KF to evolve and use new ideas and techniques. But......we know that won't happen when you have a Wall Street like golden parachute.
deanvogs
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No, where did I say that? As I said Dantonio has had a good 5 year run, and yeah I'd trade their last 5 years for our last 5 years. Is MSU a better program because of that 5 year run? I don't think so, plus as I pointed out Iowa has more top 10 finishes than MSU over the last 15 years.
