I hope Lick is back next year

agree. i felt bad for him today. I hope he is back next year as well. heck, his team played really hard for him today, and had his back after it was all over and while the stupid questions were being asked of him.
 
After all the transfers I expected atleast a 15 win season (at worst). After the first few games, I changed my expectations to right around 13. Then I saw a few more games and figured our only wins would come vs Penn State in Big Ten play.

Then I noticed improvement so the losses didn't hurt. I supported Lick because of this. Improvement. Then the collaspe came. Since the Indiana game, Iowa played it's worst basketball of all time. Worse by far. It is unacceptable to show improvement and tank the way Iowa did this year.

So, all in all, I knew it was going to be a bad season because of the transfer. But what hurts more is how Iowa got worse, worse, worse as the season progressed.

New Era - We have NO DEPTH. That will happen over a long season with a young and shallow team. This team played a lot better at the end of the season as opposed to the beginning. They had NO confidence on the road, and that is not unexpected for a team that isn't very good, very confident, very deep. Lots of teams have been blown out in the big 10 at the end of the season.
 
I am with you! This guy was handed a turd and told to polish it. Name one school that has had the same situation to deal with AND turned it around in 3 years. Quick touch point Alford left nothing to build on. Terrible to say, but similar to Fry leaving Iowa. It to Kirk 4 years....sound familiar? I agree Bud the pieces are there. Two all big ten freshmen. Three all big ten team players as sophomores and freshmen. A new facility is coming. A top thirty class of Freshmen coming in. An injured big man that has been able to practice with the team all year (Archie). These Freshmen that his the wall will not hit it next year (Cougill, May, Payne) they only played 20 games in high school last year not 30+ minutes in over 30 games. It happens to eveyrone. Todd should not be held responsible for not being able to coach Alfords undisciplined players that did not want to be a part of a system. We now have a foundation, and I think if we don't win more than we lose next year of if ANY scholarship player leaves this team we have a bright future. If we and of the previous things go wrong my support of Big Lick will be over. I belive today will create the motivation for the team to unite, and the coach to work as hard as he did in 2001 when he took a Butler team in his first year to it's best ever record and in his 2nd year went to the sweet 16 when the won a NCAA game for the first time in 38 years! Stick with this guy he is a winner, and after only 3 seasons has a team he can win with!!!!!!!!!!

Someone understands.

Though I don't see that what happened at Butler nearly a decade ago has any particular relevance for what will occur at Iowa. Trying to keep my own personal judgments at a minimum, nonetheless I do want to point to the irony that Lickliter's reputation coming in and the common wisdom about his strengths and weaknesses have proven largely mistaken: one principal negative was that he would not be able to recruit, and though the truth has yet to dawn on many fans (especially on the internet boards) that the initial impression was off-base and given the late start and his brief residence in Iowa his three recruiting classes look to be successful (Gatens & Fuller, then May & Payne plus Cougill, and now Larson, McCAbe, Marble & Brust (so far) is seven, eight, maybe more (Archie yet to show whether he can play BT basketball, another PG [juco] yet to sign).

The postive expectations were that he would prove to be a good teacher (and the obvious improvement in fundamentals is evidence bearing that out) AND he would be a very astute bench coach. Performance by the Hawkeyes has NOT supprted this expectation. The Hawkeye players almost always seem unprepared and without a game plan, his substitutions are puzzling to say the least, his use of his son while refusing to allow other walk-ons (Darrell Moore would not get a chance on this Iowa team) & the minutes given to Brommer over Cougill have no rational legitimation.

Still, it isn't clear that his dubious game management will not be different once he has adequate depth. We cannot deny that the poor guy had worse than a Hobson's choice: with only five healthy BT-quality players available most of the season, he either had to leave exhausted young guys to get run out of the gym in the last ten minutes--or he had to put guys on the floor who can't play to fall behind in the first half playing 4 vs 5 or even 3 vs 5 in effect.

But if Lickliter has not been successful as a game coach, there are the many other attributes of the job to consider. First & foremost, he faced the Herculean task of cleaning up the stable after Alford-Noodlesl: he had to repair relationships with the administration & faculty, with HS coaches, counselors & administrators, regain respect for the program, stem the bleeding of alumni & fan support, and drastically alter Hawkeye recruiting practices. He has done well in most of these regards, except fan support--charisma is not his forte & it isn't at all obvious that he could sell water to a millionaire dying of thirst in Death Valley. Secondly, he has to satisfy the administration, regents, major donors, faculty that he has a sound grasp of the University of Iowa's mission and values--and bluntly most of all it is because he is doing this well that neither Barta nor Mason nor the rest of the Iowa establishment are dissatisfied with the pace of progress in the program.

Joined a coffee session with friends & aqaintances in the administration yesterday, and got the chance to ask broadly about Lickliter's status of a member of the Board of Athletic Control. He said he couldn't give a definitive answer but he did mention that Lickliter's health is not really a major concern now, that personally he believes Lickliter sincerely thinks they have "turned the corner", expects to have a winning program as early as the next two years, and consequently has no inclination to walk away from the job...or by resigning relinquish the remainder of his contract. But the key comments were that the administration doesn't want a coaching change (certainly not now) and therefore is not inclined to consider buying out the contract while adding millions more of salary commitment to another coach so soon. There didn't seem to be any dissent to this summary.

Still, this is not necessarily the final truth. Mutual wearyness could bring Lickliter & Barta to the gloomy conclusion that the apathy and antagonism in a good share of the fan base will not be easily dissipated...and they try to work out some accomadation to salvage the coach's career and allow the Iowa program to get a fresh breath.

It is natural and probably inevitable that there is a continuous endemic failure on the part of the fans of college athletics to recognize that their perspective as fans is worlds apart from the broader overall purposes and goals of the university community itself. It is a waste of time to say it, but nonetheless it should be emphasized that winning games matters immensely more to fans than it does to the academic leaders whose primary feeling about athletics is whether they help or hurt the reputation and image of the university itself.
 
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Lets just get the smoke monster from Lost to handout judgment if he deserves another year. Yes there are only a handful of people who will understand that sentence.:D
 
I know I'm in the minority, but I have always felt, and still do, that he deserves one more year. I think he is the right man for this job. I think the pieces are in place for this Iowa team to really improve next year. I think Lick is the guy who should be leading them. If we have another poor year next year, I may change my mind. But right now I hope he is our coach next year.

Bud, others may already have responded with this point, but I have to believe that if there really is a change in process right now, it was motivated by concerns about further player attrition and player relations issues on the current squad. And if that's the case, then IMO a change has to be made. In that scenario, you could be mistaken as to whether the pieces would, in fact, have remained in place for significant improvement next season.
 
2 thoughts ...

1) Lick deserves one more year
2) Iowa fans deserve better basketball

that said pay Lick his buyout and call it even (then hire BP)
 
All of this talk about Lick having turned the corner and he deserves a chance to put the incoming recruits together with the current crop coming back is a moot point. Why? Because it's pretty much common knowledge that two players (most likely Gattens and Fuller) would be transferring if Lickliter stayed. So, once again, we'd be starting all over again.

Look, it's painfully obvious that Lick is in over his head and has very little ability to properly communicate with his players or build effective relationships with them.

The reason everything has seemingly moved so quickly is because of player defections next year. Once the administration found out that we'd be losing our 2 best players AGAIN, the wheels were put into motion.

Look, I like Lickliter. He seems like a genuinely good guy, down-to-earth, etc and no one likes seeing guys like that get the axe. But this is a business....a very lucrative business that is bleeding money and players every year. It has to stop and if that means firing Lickliter, then so be it.
 
Bud and ForeverHawk must really enjoy buying tickets that are at the top of CHA and moving down to floor seats, hell I can't blame you for that those are good seats, but if Lick is back you might even be able to sit at the end of the bench next year to fill that up as well after more players leave because he is back for another year.
 
agree. i felt bad for him today. I hope he is back next year as well. heck, his team played really hard for him today, and had his back after it was all over and while the stupid questions were being asked of him.


3 worst years in IOWA BB history, there is no way this guy comes back, especially at the cost of more starters transfering out. He is in way over his head and has shown he can't coach in the Big Ten. If he is back next year there will be less people watchin/caring about Iowa BB and he will have a less than .500 record yet again.

There is zero reasoning for thinking he has earned another year.
 
I want him back but I think what has happened over the past 24 hours will force Barta's hand. I'm not just talking about the rumors, but the general sentiment from fans.
 
I hope he is back too. Cashier at the Hawk shop. No where near the basketball program!

I guarantee he will be back and I'll be the first to say "I told you so". I've known all along this rumor was false...and have said so since the beginning.
 
I want him back but I think what has happened over the past 24 hours will force Barta's hand. I'm not just talking about the rumors, but the general sentiment from fans.

I think you have to be real careful doing only what the fans want in situations like this.
 
I am with you! This guy was handed a turd and told to polish it. Name one school that has had the same situation to deal with AND turned it around in 3 years. Quick touch point Alford left nothing to build on. Terrible to say, but similar to Fry leaving Iowa. It to Kirk 4 years....sound familiar? I agree Bud the pieces are there. Two all big ten freshmen. Three all big ten team players as sophomores and freshmen. A new facility is coming. A top thirty class of Freshmen coming in. An injured big man that has been able to practice with the team all year (Archie). These Freshmen that his the wall will not hit it next year (Cougill, May, Payne) they only played 20 games in high school last year not 30+ minutes in over 30 games. It happens to eveyrone. Todd should not be held responsible for not being able to coach Alfords undisciplined players that did not want to be a part of a system. We now have a foundation, and I think if we don't win more than we lose next year of if ANY scholarship player leaves this team we have a bright future. If we and of the previous things go wrong my support of Big Lick will be over. I belive today will create the motivation for the team to unite, and the coach to work as hard as he did in 2001 when he took a Butler team in his first year to it's best ever record and in his 2nd year went to the sweet 16 when the won a NCAA game for the first time in 38 years! Stick with this guy he is a winner, and after only 3 seasons has a team he can win with!!!!!!!!!!

Um Baylor comes to mind. Didn't they make the tournament 2 years after having a player kill another player? That was a sad state of a program, and Scott Drew took them to the NCAA 2 years after that happened. So tell me coaching at Iowa is a hard job, its only hard if you lack to recruit BIG TEN caliber players, and don't change your system. Sorry the Mid-majors offense can't compete with the big ten!

I personally want lick to come back, ONLY if he changes his style and gets more aggressive on both the offensive and defensive ends! Next years bench will be deeper, he better start pressing and start having an up-tempo offense.

IF he keeps things the same and doesn't change anything, then see ya mr lickliter. His style of ball works in the Horizon League, but not the BIG TEN.
 
This isn't all about wins and losses.

We can all agree that Lick has failed in that regard. Yes he was put in a difficult situation but the fact of the matter is he didn't get the job done on the court.

That being said on the court failings is probably not what brought him here. The truth of the matter is he is failing at EVERYTHING. He's lost players to transfer, there are rumblings that current players aren't happy, and the fanbase is overwhelmingly against him staying.

I guess the bottom line is Lick has literally failed in every single objective measurment of the program. Hes failed to win, he's failed to connect with players, he's failed to get fans excited, and he's failed to consistently recruit.

If you look at the big picture can you honestly say he's done a good job at anything?
 
This is the most entertained I have been this entire BB season. Now for the coup de grace and the final announcement when Barta announces, "Iowa and coach Lickliter have decided to part ways. Iowa has decided to go in a different direction." Which in effect means that we can ONLY go up unless we lose EVERY game and that is not likely.

Then Lickliter, at his last press conference, whines about why it isn't fair that he was fired when Iowa had turned the corner, they had obviously made great progress, and everyone just loved playing for him, and it is all the fans fault and that had he been given a fair chance, in 4 years they would have made the NIT. Two hours later, Per Mar guards wake everyone up so they can go home and no articles are published the next day about the press conference because everyone forgot to turn on their recorders.
 

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