Turns out you have the communication issues, I knew what he meant.
I was plotting my post mocking soccer when I read his post.
How good are the Hawkeyes - really?
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Turns out you have the communication issues, I knew what he meant.
I was plotting my post mocking soccer when I read his post.
kicker22
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No worries at all. We're cool. Definitely understand where you're coming from regarding being defensive about injuries. I've had 2 lower back surgeries (micro-discectomy and lower lumbar fusion) in addition to tearing my ACL and meniscus in high school. The ACL and meniscus tear I did playing indoor soccer, but my back surgeon commented that the years I spent playing soccer didn't hurt my back but probably didn't help it any either. Fortunately I recovered well enough after the ACL and meniscus tears to extend my playing career for about another 10 years. I decided to hang it up competitively when I had my first back surgery, but will still scrimmage in practice now and then.
Just wanted to reiterate where my original response came from as it missed its mark and responded a bit sarcastically to your reply. We're good. Never had any beef, just water under the bridge.
kicker22
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Turns out you have the communication issues, I knew what he meant.
LOL I knew someone was and tried to beat you to it. You know me by now.
HawkGold
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I really enjoy both sports. My youngest was stellar in football but left because of concussions. He had 6 picks in 9 career high school games and a pick six. He was leading the big schools in the area in soccer scoring and had his career ended with a severe concussion his senior year.
Yes, I need to work on it....and reading...
Yes, I need to work on it....and reading...
kicker22
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The concussion situation scares me as much as the next guy. With a 6 and 2 year old, as much as I love football, I'm just not sure I want to chance it, but based on what I went through playing high school, club, and college soccer I'm just waiting for more information to come forward regarding the effects it has on head as well as the rest of the body.
I mean didn't the talk of CTE and concussion issues in the NHL just start surfacing...Concussions in hockey? Who say that coming.
Pretty good. They had a really bad day all around. They only had one of those last year at the end of the year. It happens from time to time especially when you are a team that doesn't have the elite talent to make up for a day full of mistakes. All you can hope is they don't let the loss stick with them and use it to get better from here on out.
HawkGold
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For whatever it's worth...from a dad who had 3 sons as stellar athletes....it ain't worth it. Football, I just don't know kids who didn't suffer concussions. There is so much cover up. HS coaches put a lot of pressure to recover and get back out there. There is so much incorrect coaching out there. In addition, you can't prevent all of it with proper technique. The worst football concussion came from tackling a RB and the knee came up to the chin. The coaches were screaming at him on offense for not lining up on the correct side of the center. He had no clue. What was hard was he had 2 INTS after the concussion. Parents (including me) get so conditioned not to question the coach.
In soccer, 2 concussions with the ball. Some coaches pressure kids to do direct on defensive headers...stupid. They didn't do that though and the coaches didn't like that. Once was a hit by a teammate.
The problem now is that 2 of the 3 sons can't really play any sports including basketball due to how easily they get concussions now. Hockey would be no different.
One of my kids during a soccer match got fouled and went to take the direct kick and the other team though they had the kick. Clocked him right in the side of the head. He was wandering around the field aimlessly and the coach had no clue. That time I went over to the bench and after the attempt by the coach to shoo me away I persisted. My son who was very sensitive about parent interference calmly walked over during the match and said...hey dad, how's it going? The coach knew then.
In a college team practice one son got clocked by a stupid kick by an international player that was competing for the same spot. He lost 3 weeks out of engineering school and almost cost him his degree. The other son in engineering school is nursing a concussion playing pick up basketball. The more they get the more oft it happens.
kicker22
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That's what scares me. As someone that absolutely loves football but grew up playing and coaching soccer the number of concussions I've seen in both sports scares me. They're doing a lot by instituting concussion protocol in youth and high school sports now, but that is only used to identify the signs and symptoms of the concussion and when its safe to return to the activity after sustaining one. There's nothing addressing the ever present risk of concussions, but rather steps to take after the fact.
I think it was more fun when we just played with reckless abandon without knowing or realizing the potential dangers involved in sports.
Just for the record, NDSU is rated higher according to Sagarin than all the teams you listed and Iowa is still rated 19th. It all comes down to whether this OL can get it together. If they can, this could be a very good team.
SteveGarvey1
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We were a smidgen better than Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and maybe even NWestern last year. It doesn't take much to become a smidgen worse than some or all of those teams for this year.
HawkGold
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I hear that. The protocols are constantly changing. Remember this. Decisions are made to protect the organization, not the player. It won't be long and a concussion will mean End of Season. Coaches, parents, and players are guilty of hiding/ignoring things. What seems important at the time means little later. I rather my kid be an engineer than a high school/college star....easier to say afterwards though.
SouthSideHawk
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I seem to remember a certain team from the northland losing to the very same NDSU in 2011. Sorry to be a downer but the Gophers might not be as good as Gopher Nation hopes.
HawkeyeDenis
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In the Big Ten, even Purdue has a chance of a win. They have done it before.
Seriously though, Fitz is a good coach. Nebraska isn't a powerhouse coming to roll over them. They have a good shot, if they strike early and learn some defense.
ATLHawkeye
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How good are the Hawkeyes? Who knows. Ask again in December.
BlindDogScooter
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Because NDSU would absolutely crush Illinois, Northwestern and Rutgers.
The Hawks will finish no worse than 9-3.
HawkeyeWalker
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I hope your right, but they need to win the next 3 and improve in pass protection, run defense, and playcalling. The team that played Saturday will not beat Michigan, and would struggle mightily with the Wisconsin, Minnesota, and nebby teams I watched last Saturday.
Iowa has uncharacteristically struggled against the run, and we will be playing at least 4 teams with better running games than anyone we've played thus far.
I need to see an improved Iowa team the next 2 weeks before I'm confident in anything more than 7 wins. And if we see the same weaknesses we've seen 2 of the last 3 weeks not improve...God help us...I don't see more than 4 more wins.
Win on Saturday, improve, stay healthy...go from there.
blubberhawk
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A smidgen better than Northwestern last year? That is a funny one. Iowa kicked their ass up and down the field last year in Evanston. CJ was playing on one leg. We had other key players hurt. Probably the Hawks best performance of the year.
blubberhawk
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That is some really bad luck. Hope they are all doing ok. Football is a dangerous sport. I had kids play it and felt they were safer on the football field than out driving around in a car at 70 mph. Legitimate concerns with concussions, yet as a society we are comfortable putting 15 year olds behind the wheel.
HawkGold
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None of my kiddos drove right at 16. 2 of them I didn't sign off until they were 18 and 1 proceeded to total my car that I had just removed the insurance. Now a real adult she is a decent driver, but before...wow. Took her 5 tries at the drivers test at 18 and I think they didn't want to ride with her anymore. My oldest just shy of 16 called me stupid about something. I laughed at him which surprised him. Why he asked? You are about to turn 16, want to drive and you just called me stupid.... He was so stubborn he didn't ask until he was almost 17. Only 1 of my kids was really ready at 16 to drive and he got it at like 16 and a half.
Back to concussions, I thought it was bad luck. However, I think it is more a common occurrence than thought and it's just covered up by players, parents, and coaches. My youngest who was also a stellar B Ball player (did well against several Big 10 current BB starters locked down a Conference USA starter), got his soccer concussion in late Sept and in Dec was still impacting his hand eye coordination. Didn't get to start on the BB team until January. He was cleared at Thx Giving, but was still a big problem. He is a tough kid and he'd break out crying. I'd ask him what why and his response....I don't know. Florescent lights at school sounded like a roaring wind...yet he was cleared to play in the Regional in soccer in the later fall. He went to practice one time and said he knew he was done and didn't have the coordination.
LurkinGopher
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See that is where I totally agree. I didn't start the thread as a troll. In fact, I live in Iowa and pull for the Hawks when they aren't playing the Gophers. Truth is, the Gophers have the easiest schedule in the Big10 and when we go 10-2, I know know we aren't as good as Gopher Nation will proclaim.
The last thing you all want is me talking Gophers on this board, but since it will have parallel points of view, I'll further expound. We both play some weaklings:
Minnesota only has 3 tough games in 2016. We'll go 10-2, but we aren't that good.
Oregon St. - W
Indiana St. - W (easy FCS, not a NDSU)
Co State - W
Penn St - tough game (Away game, adv Penn State)
Iowa - tough game. (Home game, adv Minny)
Maryland - W
Rutgers - W
Illinois - W
Purdue - W
Nebraska - tough game. (Away game, adv Nebraska)
NW - W
Iowa has a tougher road than Minny (5 tough games), but still easier than most. Predict 9-3, but a litle bad karma following last year's great karma and the Hawks are 8-4. After watching Captain Conservative coach and observe the Hawks get mauled by an FCS team - 8-4 is more likely.
M-Ohio - W
ISU - W
NDSU - L
Rutgers - W
NW - W
MN - tough game. L
Purdue - W
Wisconsin - tough game (home game, adv Hawks)
Penn State - tough game (away game, adv Penn State)
Michigan - L
Nebraska - tough game (home game, adv Hawks)
