how do the stars need to align for a regime change?

The most logical outcome looks like this...IMHO

KF has a locked/renewed contract worth multiple millions ad nauseam (something repeated so often that it has become tiresome...annoying...boring)...similar to Iowa's eight offensive plays.

Iowa's leadership is backed into a corner...too expensive to buy out...check...Kirk.

Kirk's overall goal isn't to win a national title or Rose Bowl...but to make sure his son (others) take over his "legacy"...

If Iowa continues to play boring, losing, predictable, vanilla football...things will be roiled...Kirk is no dummy...sees an opportunity....a functional exit (Kirk is above all things calculating...deliberate)

He offers to "retire" off the record taking millions off the books...with the handshake agreement that his son will take over.

Win/win...the baton will be passed, the university will save $$$$...fans will be appeased and happy that at least the archaic option is gone but somewhat tepid with the new/young KF in place...

KF will be content...son takes over "legacy"...can retire as the "wise sage" who is the "winningest" coach in Iowa FB history.

BF drops into a great gig...but will BF be different w/o the sage in control...that would be the question...or is the anemic and predictable offense his own already...

It might be fantasy...but perhaps is the an option that could happen
 
InGoodCo said:
Let's take a look at some of the coaching changes in the B1G.

MSU - John Smith had 3 straight losing seasons to get canned
Purdue - Hazell had 4 straight losing season to get canned.
Michigan - Rich Rod - 2 losing seasons and a 7 win season to get canned- Brady Hoke - 1- 7 win season and 1 losing season to get canned.
Wisconsin - hasn't fired a coach in decades - but the last time they did it took a coach 3 straight losing seasons
Nebraska - Fired Solich for 9 wins and has been cursed since. Fired Bill Callahan after a losing season. Fired Pelini after telling his fans to go F themselves and getting their doors blown out every time they played on national TV. They are likely to fire Riley after his 2nd losing season in his first 3.
Illinois - took 3 straight losing seasons to fire Tim Beckman. 1 losing season and some off field issues for Bill Cubit and currently seeing Lovie Smith working on his 2nd straight losing season
Penn State - Took a coach hiding a child molester in his program - BOB left for the NFL -
Maryland - Fired Edsall after a losing season

you guys are seeing the pattern here right? I could on and and on. As it stands, right now, there's not a lot of precedent of schools firing coaches who don't go through losing seasons. A lot of them stick it out with their guy who has proven it before too - like MSU, ND, etc.

You guys are so far off base it's crazy town.
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Tim Beckman got fired for abusing players. It would be irrelevant to the conversation at hand except that he did some seriously horrible stuff to those kids. National news bad.
 
BEATHARDTEAMS said:
What has to happen so we can start a new era of Hawkeye football?

and are we really planning on passing the torch to his son for more of the same?
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He's not going to get let go. Would take a few years of losing for that to take place. BF taking over is the master plan but they are not off to a good start for that to happen.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
Maybe if a super-booster stepped up and made some demands? Don't know that they have a Knight / Pickens type now.

Dochterman has a "would you support hiring BF as coach" poll going. So far, w/ just under 2000 votes, "no" is the leader. Yesterday, "yes" was leading. There are a few conditional "yes" options as well.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-brian-ferentz-hawkeyes-next-head-football-coach
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Kind of an ill-timed poll really. If they were 6-1 then that poll very well might look different so you're really getting a flavor of the month answer on those.
 
HawkGold said:
You need to get out more.

If you were at least 10 by 2000, you could see the play calling. HF's last 2 recruiting classes WERE considered top 25. The play calling was evident. The lack of gamesmanship. The Bank's situation in 01 should have been noticeable. The fixation on the contact...not signed and so on. The guy had very little leadership experience. That's why no surprise. You are so darn cute...
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Who let @Joshbrown open another user account?

Josh, you have to be aware that everybody hates your stuff, why do it twice?
 
InGoodCo said:
Let's take a look at some of the coaching changes in the B1G.

MSU - John Smith had 3 straight losing seasons to get canned
Purdue - Hazell had 4 straight losing season to get canned.
Michigan - Rich Rod - 2 losing seasons and a 7 win season to get canned- Brady Hoke - 1- 7 win season and 1 losing season to get canned.
Wisconsin - hasn't fired a coach in decades - but the last time they did it took a coach 3 straight losing seasons
Nebraska - Fired Solich for 9 wins and has been cursed since. Fired Bill Callahan after a losing season. Fired Pelini after telling his fans to go F themselves and getting their doors blown out every time they played on national TV. They are likely to fire Riley after his 2nd losing season in his first 3.
Illinois - took 3 straight losing seasons to fire Tim Beckman. 1 losing season and some off field issues for Bill Cubit and currently seeing Lovie Smith working on his 2nd straight losing season
Penn State - Took a coach hiding a child molester in his program - BOB left for the NFL -
Maryland - Fired Edsall after a losing season

you guys are seeing the pattern here right? I could on and and on. As it stands, right now, there's not a lot of precedent of schools firing coaches who don't go through losing seasons. A lot of them stick it out with their guy who has proven it before too - like MSU, ND, etc.

You guys are so far off base it's crazy town.
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Agree. Nothing is going to change in terms of head coaching moves. I think the haters would simmer down if they just made some fairly obvious adjustments scheme-wise and in-game adjustments like NW did at half. This staff isn't doing that right now.
 
hawkeye23 said:
Kind of an ill-timed poll really. If they were 6-1 then that poll very well might look different so you're really getting a flavor of the month answer on those.
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Do you think the "flavor of the month answer" would have been much different in 2010, or 2011, or 2012, or 2013, or 2014, or 2016?

The flavor of the program has been mostly the same for quite a while.
 
HawkGold said:
You need to get out more.

If you were at least 10 by 2000, you could see the play calling. HF's last 2 recruiting classes WERE considered top 25. The play calling was evident. The lack of gamesmanship. The Bank's situation in 01 should have been noticeable. The fixation on the contact...not signed and so on. The guy had very little leadership experience. That's why no surprise. You are so darn cute...

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SOMEone needs to get over himself/herself. You also need to get off the "stuff" that makes you so delusional and egotistical at the same time.

The only thing you got right? Yep, the rules don't apply to me. They never have.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
SOMEone needs to get over himself/herself. You also need to get off the "stuff" that makes you so delusional and egotistical at the same time.

The only thing you got right? Yep, the rules don't apply to me. They never have.
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Somehow that makes sense....to you.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
Do you think the "flavor of the month answer" would have been much different in 2010, or 2011, or 2012, or 2013, or 2014, or 2016?

The flavor of the program has been mostly the same for quite a while.
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Ok, so what if the poll was taken after 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2015?

For some of the seasons you listed, here is their record at a given time:
2010: 7-2
2011: 6-3
2014: 7-3

Do I think that if today's circumstances (in terms of staffing and the thought of BF taking over) were placed into any of those 8 scenarios, could the poll give different results? Yes I do.
 
KFz will not retire "proactively"...that's the biggest problem. Always the last one to realize a change or adjustment is needed...he'll ride it out too long.
 
I think 2019 is KF's last season. So he has basically 2 years to prove that BF is a worthy successor. If it goes the way I think it will; it will go as follows: '17 6 or 7 wins, '18 8 or 9 wins, '19 double digit victories. 2020 BF is the new HC. If BF/KF flatline, then this thing probably gets blown up after the 2020 season.
 
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