AZHAWKFAN1
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Most of the top teams in the big ten have qb's that can run! Iowa seems to recruit guys with cement sneakers!
How Did Iowa Get Here?
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Look, I think you and I are on the same page for the most part here. My eternal optimism has just ran short a little sooner than yours. I am not one to come on this board after every loss and say the sky is falling. I have also stuck up for KF in the past.
However at some point, he has to be held accountable. Does that means he needs to go? I don't know the answer to that. But the landscape of college football has slowly passed him by the last few years. KF needs to recognize this and stop be a bull headed stubborn coach. He needs to realize that what he is doing is not working. He needs to start taking the blame and fix things instead of sticking with the status quo.
That being said, I will still be at the Purdue game and the Nebraska game. I will still leave my house at 3:30 in the morning to get to my tailgate spot before 6:00 AM and I will be still be sitting in the same seat I have for years cheering on the Hawks.
eyekwah
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Nice article Jon. It does much to explain the status of the program. I think you could go down the roster of B1G teams this season and find similar issues. Forty years ago we would have been elated with a 4 and 4 record at this point of the season. We have got fans now that have never experienced a decade like the 70's. That was brutal. Iowa fans have expectations because of the success over the past 30 years and are far less tolerant of inferior performance, measured by W's. I hope younger fans can develop some patience because I think it will get corrected \.
I am not disagreeing with what you say in this post. I will say that paying someone less, even substantially less, would not in the long run make people any happier if the program does not excel. Even though most of the posters here are not contributing one thin dime to KF's salary (no taxes, either) it has become a target due to its big numbers. Frankly, I don't give a darn what KF is paid. However, if it comes time to replace him, we had better realize that to get a big name coach is likely going to cost you that much or more. And, remember RichRod...how did that work out for Michigan? How did Cheese head work out for Auburn? On and on. I am sure there will be a post in the future, after we hire someone for 2 million and they have a couple of 7-5 seasons..."Well, that is really good for someone who we are paying only 1/2 of what we paid KF. I am quite satisfied."
The only reason the salary matters is it shows we are willing to pay top dollar to get a top coach.
This thread is awesome. Jon has finally come around to my 7 win or 8 win argument and the rest of you are just spinning in circles.
Here's the issue. KF can't overcome the poor recruiting during the lean years of the program. It is understandable that he would have some difficulty recruiting during those times, but an innovative and aggressive coach, like say Bill Snyder would see what was coming a hit JUCO and transfers like crazy to fill the gap. KF goes fishing and says "gee wiz" when it comes to getting hammered with non competitive talent.
Now that Jon has come around to my 7 and 8 win argument, maybe he should look back at my comments las fall when I was preaching that this year was going to be far worse than last year. The writing was clearly on the wall and the coaches decided to go fishing instead of beating bushes for good transfers.
There were guys available that will be playing on Sunday. It is time that someone calls out the coach on this one.
And, oh yeah, next year is another 7 or fewer year.
Here's the issue. KF can't overcome the poor recruiting during the lean years of the program. It is understandable that he would have some difficulty recruiting during those times, but an innovative and aggressive coach, like say Bill Snyder would see what was coming a hit JUCO and transfers like crazy to fill the gap. KF goes fishing and says "gee wiz" when it comes to getting hammered with non competitive talent.
Now that Jon has come around to my 7 and 8 win argument, maybe he should look back at my comments las fall when I was preaching that this year was going to be far worse than last year. The writing was clearly on the wall and the coaches decided to go fishing instead of beating bushes for good transfers.
There were guys available that will be playing on Sunday. It is time that someone calls out the coach on this one.
And, oh yeah, next year is another 7 or fewer year.
BILLBUCKNER
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If our QB position had not played so poorly this year,I doubt we are having this conversation. It really is mind boggling how bad it has been. I don't understand Kirk's refusal to give someone else playing time to see if they can do any better. If there really is no one better than Vandy(how can that be possible?) then our program is in a world of hurt. If the QB was even competent things would be much better.
HaydenHawk56
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I too think this was a good article by Jon. I think Jon clearly explains the talent/attrition issues over the recruiting classes of 08 and 09. I think it is one main reason why we struggling now this season.
My biggest complaint I have of Ferentz up to this point in time is the QB position. I have no problem with JVB starting. But, in a blow-out situation like the Penn St game, I can't see the benefit of not getting our back-ups QBs some experience. 4-4 hurts, but to me for the future, this is a bigger problem, not getting our youth experience.
Second and third things would be the onside kick coverage (Central Michigan) and delay of game calls in the last game.
I also think JVB and Greg Davis are a poor match for each other. Bad luck for everyone involved there.
My biggest complaint I have of Ferentz up to this point in time is the QB position. I have no problem with JVB starting. But, in a blow-out situation like the Penn St game, I can't see the benefit of not getting our back-ups QBs some experience. 4-4 hurts, but to me for the future, this is a bigger problem, not getting our youth experience.
Second and third things would be the onside kick coverage (Central Michigan) and delay of game calls in the last game.
I also think JVB and Greg Davis are a poor match for each other. Bad luck for everyone involved there.
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alexzelada
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Problem with these statements (which I hope someday won't be the norm) is that they fail to recognize the inherent goodness in raised expectations. For example: Imagine some old guy talking to a young guy in 1935 saying, "You kids now-a-days can't remember how bad it was back in the 1860s after the civil war. If you kids only knew you would be thankful for your current economic situation."
Nobody should ever be thankful for underachieving, which is exactly what Kirk has been doing for three years straight. Whenever someone tells you that you "need perspective", you should respond with "you need to join us in the present and stop living in the past."
I myself am an old timer, but I grow tired of old people not recognizing that 30yrs worth of hard work has changed the conversation-dynamic at Iowa. We're no longer the crapeyes, now we're the HAWKEYES and a certain amount of pride is warranted after 30 years of building something.
HawkPrdatr40
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Ken O' Keefe left Iowa to coach in the NFL. I'm now convinced he saw what was coming.
HawkPrdatr40
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Thank You!!!!
HawkPrdatr40
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I honestly don't know how to respond to that. Your watching something very different than I. No disrespect, but I had to read what you wrote a couple times to make sure I read it right.
LutherHawk
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Good analysis, Jon.
However, it nearly ignores the persistent problems at the coaching level both in game planning, game scheming, situational preparedness, and in-game management. These things start at the top and are even more evident when the talent and experience are lower. These things cannot be ignored.
However, it nearly ignores the persistent problems at the coaching level both in game planning, game scheming, situational preparedness, and in-game management. These things start at the top and are even more evident when the talent and experience are lower. These things cannot be ignored.
LutherHawk
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And, ironically, O'Keefe is helping to engineer a nice turnaround in Miami! Maybe the real problem is/was his boss.
As much as I'd hate to lose him, Bob Diaco is exactly what this program needs. Energetic, great recruiter, and would pump life back into the fans. It's a catch-22, spend a lot of money on the buy out of KF, or risk getting deeper in a rut. I think the only life line KF has right now is the PSU sanctions. Use that Penn pipeline and get some ballers. Otherwise, apathy is going to creep in, and it's too hard to get out.
gohawkz
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That's called a rat leaving a sinking ship. Next is the captain rearranging the chairs. Kirk looked at the chairs and said that they're good just as they are.
NCHawker
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Begs the question.
Why couldn't Ferentz just explain all this to us? Really. Why not manage fan expectations a bit - he could do that and still turn around and tell his team to go out there and exceed expectations. He understands this stuff better than anyone.
He's so damned smug. He skirts questions that are deemed below him. But nobody ever asked him blunt questions.
Why couldn't Ferentz just explain all this to us? Really. Why not manage fan expectations a bit - he could do that and still turn around and tell his team to go out there and exceed expectations. He understands this stuff better than anyone.
He's so damned smug. He skirts questions that are deemed below him. But nobody ever asked him blunt questions.
JonDMiller
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I wrote after the Outback Bowl that by the time all the classes from that team had graduated, it would have more draft picks on it than any in Iowa history. That didn't mean that at that time, they were all as good as they were going to get. Players who redshirted that year are seniors this year.
JonDMiller
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I think EJ will become full time recruiting coordinator and David Raih becomes full time position coach which means he can be on the road recruiting, shortly after signing day this coming February.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
I understand people don't want to think like this, but it doesn't change the historical and demographic realities it may contain.
