How did Boise and maybe other MWC teams game the RPI system?





I will agree that someone will always be disappointed, but there is no "gaming of the system" with BPI, Pomeroy or Sagarin. The aforementioned rankings view losing in double OT to Wisconsin as being a better performance than winning by 2 at UW-Green Bay. Or see that beating Minnesota at home by 21 points is a better performance than winning by 3 on the road at Arkansas-Little Rock.

No one is mad at other schools (at least they shouldn't be). Non-conference scheduling needs to be taken very seriously, way more seriously than Iowa has in the past. And I'm not talking about just loading up with a slate of Duke, Kentucky, UCLA in the non-con. I mean by targeting a schedule that lessens (as much as possible) any games against teams 250+ in the RPI. It means scheduling road games in the non-con against crappy teams solely for the potential RPI boost from getting a road win.

The only way to "game" all the other computer rankings is to do it on the court by running up the score.

This is another excuse the ncaa uses for the rpi in that it doesn't take into account margin of victory.
 


You all are way over dramatizing the RPI. The committee sent a message to power conferences. Win a big game on the road. Don't lose to low ranked teams on the road. Beat several top contenders. Don't pad with really bad teams. Changing RPI wouldn't change the above. Imagine what would happen to tourney quality if teams like Iowa were rewarded. The new bar would be 26 wins and many of those against really bad teams.

Like it or not, we all love watching the cinderellas unless they are playing our team. Most of the nation loved NSU's unbelievable win against Iowa. Except for us.

To weaker conference teams. Take care of your business.
 


so many of these teams would never make the NCAA if they played in the big ten - yet they schedule 2 good non con games and don't even win them - then got 14-2 in some cake conference.


and they are in... its absurd.
 




ILLtrollhawk, Perhaps you missed the bit about schools playing DII or NAIA schools to pad wins, but not get counted against RPI strength of schedule. That is what I am bent about. That is how the mountain west gamed the system and go so many BS bids.
 


You all are way over dramatizing the RPI. The committee sent a message to power conferences. Win a big game on the road. Don't lose to low ranked teams on the road. Beat several top contenders. Don't pad with really bad teams. Changing RPI wouldn't change the above. Imagine what would happen to tourney quality if teams like Iowa were rewarded. The new bar would be 26 wins and many of those against really bad teams.

Like it or not, we all love watching the cinderellas unless they are playing our team. Most of the nation loved NSU's unbelievable win against Iowa. Except for us.

To weaker conference teams. Take care of your business.

You're missing the point. It's hypocritical at best when comparing small conference teams vs major conference teams.
 


Is everyone missing the point here as to the reason Fran scheduled these cupcake teams? He was not sure we would have a chance to make the tourny this year with such a young team to he scheduled the easy wins so they would know what winning was like. I am pretty sure he will set up a much better OOC next year.
 


You all are way over dramatizing the RPI. The committee sent a message to power conferences. Win a big game on the road. Don't lose to low ranked teams on the road. Beat several top contenders. Don't pad with really bad teams. Changing RPI wouldn't change the above. Imagine what would happen to tourney quality if teams like Iowa were rewarded. The new bar would be 26 wins and many of those against really bad teams.

Like it or not, we all love watching the cinderellas unless they are playing our team. Most of the nation loved NSU's unbelievable win against Iowa. Except for us.

To weaker conference teams. Take care of your business.

This. It's just butthurt setting in. If Iowa would have traded numbers with Boise and Boise was left out of the tourney no one would be decrying the abject injustice of the RPI.
 


Is everyone missing the point here as to the reason Fran scheduled these cupcake teams? He was not sure we would have a chance to make the tourny this year with such a young team to he scheduled the easy wins so they would know what winning was like. I am pretty sure he will set up a much better OOC next year.

If this was the first time it was terrible I would agree. Fact is it isn't and that has been my biggest problem for a long time.
 


Is everyone missing the point here as to the reason Fran scheduled these cupcake teams? He was not sure we would have a chance to make the tourny this year with such a young team to he scheduled the easy wins so they would know what winning was like. I am pretty sure he will set up a much better OOC next year.

Scoots, it seems Fran didn't schedule soft enough. If he would have replaced two 300+ cupcakes with DII schools or NAIA teams, the hawks would have been in. That is the part I have a really hard time with.
 


Scoots, it seems Fran didn't schedule soft enough. If he would have replaced two 300+ cupcakes with DII schools or NAIA teams, the hawks would have been in. That is the part I have a really hard time with.


Why do you have a hard time with this? Was someone stopping Fran from doing this? Seems like everyone should be ****** at Fran.
 


Why do I have a hard time with it? Because it is exploiting an unintended loophole. Because it is dishonest. I am not surprised you do not have a hard time with it.
 


so many of these teams would never make the NCAA if they played in the big ten - yet they schedule 2 good non con games and don't even win them - then got 14-2 in some cake conference.


and they are in... its absurd.

It's absurd to leave out the lower teams that take care of business. It's a part of March Madness. It isn't about making fans of teams of power conferences that didn't do anything significant to get in the tourney. The tourney would get as boring as the football bowl season. Who cares about the Motor City Bowl or NYC Tundra Bowl.

It is fun as could be to see UNI lop off Kansas. Who wants to see an 11 or a 10 seed B1G team lose to a higher seed, but not terrific team. Boring, except for the fans of those teams.
 




ILLtrollhawk, Perhaps you missed the bit about schools playing DII or NAIA schools to pad wins, but not get counted against RPI strength of schedule. That is what I am bent about. That is how the mountain west gamed the system and go so many BS bids.

Sioux name calling imbecile. What don't you understand about lack of good wins? On the road especially. The tourney as you want it would be boring in most years.
 


Tell me again who the good wins on Boise State or Middle Tennessee's schedule are.

As for your username, a spade is a spade to me. No name calling there.
 


Tell me again who the good wins on Boise State or Middle Tennessee's schedule are.

As for your username, a spade is a spade to me. No name calling there.

So what should I read into yours? Hidden ND fan? Oh no another troll!

MT took care of business in their league.

Boise State actually beat a highly ranked team non conference on the road in front of a hostile crowd. They played at Michigan State (tough). They scheduled LSU non conference. What part of that don't you understand?

Iowa didn't beat anyone NC on the road. BSU beat Creighton at Creighton. Iowa played no one like MSU on the road non conference.

So again I ask. What part don't you get? MTS won their conference by 5 games. That is not easy for anyone to do.
 






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