How did Boise and maybe other MWC teams game the RPI system?

So what should I read into yours? Hidden ND fan? Oh no another troll!

MT took care of business in their league.

Boise State actually beat a highly ranked team non conference on the road in front of a hostile crowd. They played at Michigan State (tough). They scheduled LSU non conference. What part of that don't you understand?

Iowa didn't beat anyone NC on the road. BSU beat Creighton at Creighton. Iowa played no one like MSU on the road non conference.

So again I ask. What part don't you get? MTS won their conference by 5 games. That is not easy for anyone to do.

You lost the bet, begone.
 
I think the origin of my username is pretty well known. I played at North Dakota, my number was 34. No, I am not Phil Jackson (who also wore that number). I am a life long Iowa fan, I just couldn't get Lute to come across with the scholarship offer.

MT's league is bush at best. I don't care if they took care of it. Where are the quality wins? They got drilled by Florida. Why should they be rewarded for that? They played no one else.

Boise beat Creighton in November, in another thread today, I was told that wins in December were meaningless, so imagine what a win in November must be worth. Why would we assign any value to a non conference loss to a ranked team? A loss is a loss in my book. I do not find your argument compelling.
 
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You all are way over dramatizing the RPI. The committee sent a message to power conferences. Win a big game on the road. Don't lose to low ranked teams on the road. Beat several top contenders. Don't pad with really bad teams. Changing RPI wouldn't change the above. Imagine what would happen to tourney quality if teams like Iowa were rewarded. The new bar would be 26 wins and many of those against really bad teams.

Like it or not, we all love watching the cinderellas unless they are playing our team. Most of the nation loved NSU's unbelievable win against Iowa. Except for us.

To weaker conference teams. Take care of your business.

That's not the message that they sent by letting a team like MTSU in. What was the big game they won on the road? When did they beat several top contenders? I'm pretty sure they are padded with bad teams since 26/28 wins were below RPI 100.

Why do these rules only apply to power conference teams?
 
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That's not the message that the sent by letting a team like MTSU in. What was the big game they won on the road? When did they beat several top contenders? I'm pretty sure they are padded with bad teams since 26/28 wins were below RPI 100.

Why do these rules only apply to power conference teams?

Let the mid-majors in just use more sense when it comes to teams like Oklahoma, Cal and Colorado, none of them should be in.
 
Let the mid-majors in just use more sense when it comes to teams like Oklahoma, Cal and Colorado, none of them should be in.

So now we should treat teams differently based on the conference they are from? Thats supposed to be the whole point of all the metrics used, so teams can be compared.
 
Let the mid-majors in just use more sense when it comes to teams like Oklahoma, Cal and Colorado, none of them should be in.

Why not just be consistent for all at-large teams? If we're going to evaluate teams differently, then let's just make it so every single first round match up has to be major conference team vs. mid major. Cinderella potential every where!!
 
They are already being encouraged to do that. That's the problem.

I don't disagree about the league. However deep down few of us would like the tourney if all mediocre major conference teams had to do was schedule a worthless schedule. it would be boring as heck.

Just stop the name calling. It's childish.
 
Why not just be consistent for all at-large teams? If we're going to evaluate teams differently, then let's just make it so every single first round match up has to be major conference team vs. mid major. Cinderella potential every where!!

Before teams figured out how to work the RPI system they were and the little guys couldn't get in. With what Butler, VCU and George Mason have been able to do they need to be in. The system needs modified, but remain fair.
 
You lost the bet, begone.

You were wrong. On that day Iowa was not a sincere bubble. never in history have they looked at an 80.

My work schedule is going to change soon enough anyway and I won't have time to post. If you didn't have trolololo mouth disease it wouldn't have been an issue anyway. what is even funnier is your posts sound like mine as realism set in. Die hard Hawk fans that are long timers don't have to look at all things like a child. Sounds like you are growing up. There are a few of you here that over time try to influence by name calling and it's childish. You cannot find one conversation on here where I argued my point by initiating name calling. You cannot say the same.
 
All a little program needs to do is win their conference auto bid. Why is that so hard? Plenty of room for cinderellas from that pool if you ask me.
 
You were wrong. On that day Iowa was not a sincere bubble. never in history have they looked at an 80.

My work schedule is going to change soon enough anyway and I won't have time to post. If you didn't have trolololo mouth disease it wouldn't have been an issue anyway. what is even funnier is your posts sound like mine as realism set in. Die hard Hawk fans that are long timers don't have to look at all things like a child. Sounds like you are growing up. There are a few of you here that over time try to influence by name calling and it's childish. You cannot find one conversation on here where I argued my point by initiating name calling. You cannot say the same.

I do not care what you think, you made the bet and agreed to the terms. So stop acting like a butthurt cry baby about it and go away for 2 weeks.
 
So now we should treat teams differently based on the conference they are from? Thats supposed to be the whole point of all the metrics used, so teams can be compared.

Exactly. Sure, the RPI isn't perfect. But there wouldn't be this huge outcry of 'stolen' NCAA spots on this board if Iowa had made it. There certainly wouldn't be anyone defending Kentucky (who we all agree should have been left out, correct?). This is why you have to use objective things like the RPI to do the comparisons...
 
So what should I read into yours? Hidden ND fan? Oh no another troll!

MT took care of business in their league.

Boise State actually beat a highly ranked team non conference on the road in front of a hostile crowd. They played at Michigan State (tough). They scheduled LSU non conference. What part of that don't you understand?

Iowa didn't beat anyone NC on the road. BSU beat Creighton at Creighton. Iowa played no one like MSU on the road non conference.

So again I ask. What part don't you get? MTS won their conference by 5 games. That is not easy for anyone to do.


How is playing MSU on the road in OOC better than playing Indiana home and away, Michigan and OSU on the road, Wisconsin home and away, and MSU on a neutral court? Why do they make such a big deal about OOC schedule? Those games are played 3 months ago. Most teams are not the same team they were 3 months ago. I'm not saying they shouldn't count, it's just weird that they count more.
 
Exactly. Sure, the RPI isn't perfect. But there wouldn't be this huge outcry of 'stolen' NCAA spots on this board if Iowa had made it. There certainly wouldn't be anyone defending Kentucky (who we all agree should have been left out, correct?). This is why you have to use objective things like the RPI to do the comparisons...


Of course there wouldn't be a huge outcry if we weren't left out. All that proves is people don't complain about BS things until it affects them. I'm pretty sure everyone already knows that's how the world works so what's the point of bringing it up?

Now if you want to say we only think the RPI is BS because it screwed us, then that's a different story. That just means you either know nothing about the RPI (which I didn't till a week ago) or you don't have the mental ability to see the huge flaws in it. I highly doubt the later is the case judging by how incredibly stupid one would have to be to not be able to comprehend it.
 
Yup..
And the great thing is, you don't even have to win those games against the good teams. (se Oklahoma and ISU schedules) Both played 3 decent teams in their pre-conference schedules and both lost all 3, but there they are in the NCAA tourney.

So Fran, get your butt out there and schedule Duke, Gonzaga and Butler. Play'em all on the road. Probably lose'em all but finish 9-9 in your league and your in.


Why on earth would you schedule Duke, a team that is going to lose 5 or 6 games but almost for sure beat you, when you can schedule a team like New Mexico who we actually have a better chance to beat because they are worse then Duke? New Mexico would even help our RPI more then Duke.
 
How is playing MSU on the road in OOC better than playing Indiana home and away, Michigan and OSU on the road, Wisconsin home and away, and MSU on a neutral court? Why do they make such a big deal about OOC schedule? Those games are played 3 months ago. Most teams are not the same team they were 3 months ago. I'm not saying they shouldn't count, it's just weird that they count more.

non con v con. Simple
 
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