KarlChilders
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Lot of folks were saying Beaver had money on the game. Why do they never investigate this? Some of these Refs are big time gamblers. Bobby Knight tried to do something about this but no one wanted to listen.
How 1 Referee Error Changed B1G Standings
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ibahawkeye
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Why is it so hard to believe that a ref made an honest mistake? It doesn't have to be a screw job, he didn't have to have money on the game. Refs make mistakes every single game. This one just happened to be a bad one at a very bad time in the game.
I'm certainly speculating, but there's a good chance that this ref is beating himself up over the mistake and these guys are evaluated for post season assignments and future assignments so this mistake very will could hurt his career progression. Also what many don't point out is that the other official was clearly out of position. He was near half court when there was a full court press. He never should have been that far down the floor. Had he have started in better position, he would have been closer to the action and may have had an opportunity to grant the timeout.
These guys made a mistake and they have to own it but I think it's a bit unfair to speculate that it was an intentional screw job or that there was money on the game.
I'm certainly speculating, but there's a good chance that this ref is beating himself up over the mistake and these guys are evaluated for post season assignments and future assignments so this mistake very will could hurt his career progression. Also what many don't point out is that the other official was clearly out of position. He was near half court when there was a full court press. He never should have been that far down the floor. Had he have started in better position, he would have been closer to the action and may have had an opportunity to grant the timeout.
These guys made a mistake and they have to own it but I think it's a bit unfair to speculate that it was an intentional screw job or that there was money on the game.
SteveGarvey1
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It was a terrible call but if you think it was a screw job or money was on the game, I mean that's just absurd paranoia.
The referees are human and are allowed to make mistakes. It is pretty obvious that if he would of seen the correct call Iowa probably would of won the game barring some really strange happenings. The point is that if Iowa doesn't make the NCAA tournament it isn't necessarily because they are an NIT team. There are a lot of teams that go to the NIT that should of been in the NCAA tournament.
There's so many of those types of calls made where they see a player swiping or reaching and never actually making contact yet calling the foul.. And you'll see that called by the ref the furthest from the play with a worse angle to see it to boot. NBA refs are probably the worst at those types of calls.
Did anyone notice when Cook got fouled and the ref from across the court called it a couple seconds later? He still looked at the ref closest to him and complained like "how the hell did you not call it". It was pretty funny because he actually got the call and still made a point to say something to the ref who swallowed his whistle.
You mean like on fast breaks where the ref makes up his mind at half court? The players make them look stupid a lot in those situations when they back off at the last second and still get the call.
I remember in high school once I was defending a fast break and I decided I wasn't going to even touch the guy but I decided to try to scare him into a miss my swiping my arm down as he was going up (about 5 feet from him). The ref blew his whistle and my coach yelled at me that if I'm going to foul him, foul him so he doesn't make the shot. Good story huh?
Words can't do justice how far I was away from him.
But your argument also depends on the dubious assumption that Iowa would have won the game against Indiana and Maryland. The players themselves have already mentioned the importance of the Minnesota game in propelling them forward and serving as a good learning experience. If they win that game it's equally as likely that they are in the same position as they are right now without having learned a valuable lesson.
hagarwood
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No, what the players did say was that they felt like the Gopher loss felt like a gut punch and they were still feeling it when they played Illinois. The Press Citizen and The Des Moines register have a video clip of that interview. I've never seen the players say they benefitted from the loss. They said they needed to put it behind them and move on. You misunderstood or misheard what was said I believe. I don't believe it's a dubious assumption to think they would have won games that they did win if they had beaten Minnesota. Winning builds confidence and young teams especially need that.
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DDThompson
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Says the guy trying to justify himself about commenting on a bad call that he hadn't seen -- "blown" call, you wrote --
but while commenting on the possibility of a "blown" call for two sentences and that it doesn't matter -- just win in Madison
then spent 15 sentences talking about Iowa's shortcomings even earlier in the season.
And now you go farther in the past to a game which has zero effect in the Big10 standings.
It doesn't matter.
***sigh***
And before you try to justify what you said before or what I wrote now ... just think of me as the Gopher standing out-of-bounds tying you up.
It's over. Move on to the next thread.
**sighs again**
homes
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Hey apples, meet the oranges. But look nothing like us. That's because they're oranges.
ssckelley
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OR the confidence and momentum gained from beating Minnesota could have propelled them to beat MSU and Illinois. Either way I'd rather not have losses because of a blatant error by officiating. Losing like that was not good for the team.
Exactly... Basically the defender can't attempt anything. It's so dumb.
Judging by how they played the two games immediately after, I would say it was the former.
