How 1 Referee Error Changed B1G Standings

ChosenChildren said:
I think the lesson is: You need to win in a dominant fashion on the road (like Rutgers and Maryland), and not let the game get close because the refs will favor the home team. Iowa is 6-2 at home in the BIG and 2-6 on the road. We get the calls at home as well. In the Indiana game, at a critical juncture in OT, Peter Jok basically ran over an Indiana player and scooped the ball in for a layup. It was a pretty play, but an obvious charge that was not called, working in Iowa's favor at a critical point on the game.

Bottom line: Blow them out on the road and keep it close at home.
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Also, I think 6-2 at home and 2-6 on the road is realistic for a team playing mostly freshmen and sophomores. The encouraging thing to me is that both home losses were close and 2 of the road losses came in double OT.

Next year the freshman and sophomore core will be very seasoned and experienced. They know how it works now and that it can't be left in the officials hands. I am quite confident we will lose less than 2 at home and win more than 2 on the road.
 
I didn't feel any "need" to comment on the bad call...I commented on it because I wanted to and because this is a place to share comments freely...

I didn't "see" the call yet commented on it, that it might have been hideous, yet, many other factors for a successful season are in the team's control.

Thousands of historians have never "seen" Lincoln and yet biographies about him, yearly.

Thanks for listening to views that you feel don't fit in with your world view...
 
revkev73 said:
I didn't feel any "need" to comment on the bad call...I commented on it because I wanted to and because this is a place to share comments freely...

I didn't "see" the call yet commented on it, that it might have been hideous, yet, many other factors for a successful season are in the team's control.

Thousands of historians have never "seen" Lincoln and yet biographies about him, yearly.

Thanks for listening to views that you feel don't fit in with your world view...
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This is a 2 way street, you have the right to comment as much as the next guy/gal but so do we. Your original post was basically telling everyone to shut up about it since you deemed it "irrelevant".
 
Wasn't telling anyone to shut up...if so, would have said it.

Stated that it happened, happens at times, but lots of other things influence a winning or losing season.

Anyone can comment...don't appreciate being told that I shouldn't comment because I didn't see the bad call...my comments assumed it was a bad call.

Losers make excuses, apply blame...look to self, what we can do better, move on...my point.
 
ssckelley said:
I think it could have been reviewed had anybody on the team seen his foot was out of bounds and alerted the officials to it. But since they were disputing the call of the timeout it couldn't be reviewed. It all happened so fast and people generally watch the play and not peoples feet. Most didn't notice it until we saw the replay.
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What makes you think it's reviewable? Just because a coach or player requests doesn't make it reviewable play.

An OB call under 2 can be reviewed but if it's not an OB call, how could they review it?
 
Point of clash is...NCAA sports on the highest levels is big money...high stakes

Bush league, amateurish, incompetent officiating is striking...and disappointing

Sigh...
 
ChosenChildren said:
I think the lesson is: You need to win in a dominant fashion on the road (like Rutgers and Maryland), and not let the game get close because the refs will favor the home team. Iowa is 6-2 at home in the BIG and 2-6 on the road. We get the calls at home as well. In the Indiana game, at a critical juncture in OT, Peter Jok basically ran over an Indiana player and scooped the ball in for a layup. It was a pretty play, but an obvious charge that was not called, working in Iowa's favor at a critical point on the game.

Bottom line: Blow them out on the road and keep it close at home.
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What you just described, though, is a judgment call and those can go either way and most people, while they may get mad at particular judgment calls, understand that they are part of the game.

But to have a ref standing right next to a player calling timeout and not award the timeout, plus have clean line of sight to see that the defender attempting to tie the ball is clearly out of bounds and not call it....that's not a judgment call, that's a screwjob....
 
ibahawkeye said:
What makes you think it's reviewable? Just because a coach or player requests doesn't make it reviewable play.

An OB call under 2 can be reviewed but if it's not an OB call, how could they review it?
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I could be wrong on this but the call on the court was a jump ball, that is what Fran should have asked to have reviewed. He could do that, right? Had they reviewed the play the officials would have seen his foot was out of bounds so it wasn't a jump ball. Instead Fran challenged the officials that Ellingson had called time out, which is not reviewable.

But I'm no expert on what is reviewable and not reviewable.
 
ssckelley said:
I could be wrong on this but the call on the court was a jump ball, that is what Fran should have asked to have reviewed. He could do that, right? Had they reviewed the play the officials would have seen his foot was out of bounds so it wasn't a jump ball. Instead Fran challenged the officials that Ellingson had called time out, which is not reviewable.

But I'm no expert on what is reviewable and not reviewable.
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I'm fairly confident that a jump ball is not able to be reviewed.
 
ChosenChildren said:
I think the lesson is: You need to win in a dominant fashion on the road (like Rutgers and Maryland), and not let the game get close because the refs will favor the home team. Iowa is 6-2 at home in the BIG and 2-6 on the road. We get the calls at home as well. In the Indiana game, at a critical juncture in OT, Peter Jok basically ran over an Indiana player and scooped the ball in for a layup. It was a pretty play, but an obvious charge that was not called, working in Iowa's favor at a critical point on the game.

Bottom line: Blow them out on the road and keep it close at home.
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I think you are wrong about that. There are teams that get home calls and teams that do not. Penn St., Northwestern, Nebraska, and Iowa very rarely get the benefit of at home officiating. MSU, Indiana, tOSU, Minnesota clearly do from my observations. I rematched the OT and can't find any play with Peter where they missed a charge. I can say that Cook was very clearly fouled on the last shot of regulation. He was too quick for Bryant and rather than give up a dunk he wrapped his arms around Tyler to stop him. A nice play call by Fran and no call. Referees are human they make mistakes, but what's bad is when they get caught up by the momentum of the game or predetermine what might happen in a situation. The Ellingson call was just that. He thought Minnesota is going to try to tie him up so that's what I'll call. When players try to make a defensive play on a breakaway and don't touch the shooter; how many times have you seen a foul called because the ref thought it was going to happen. Big Ten officiating is not bad, but it a little below average for the power 5 conferences and the Minnesota game call is in the top 3 for worst call of the year and by rule could not have been reviewed.
 
revkev73 said:
I didn't feel any "need" to comment on the bad call...I commented on it because I wanted to and because this is a place to share comments freely...

I didn't "see" the call yet commented on it, that it might have been hideous, yet, many other factors for a successful season are in the team's control.

Thousands of historians have never "seen" Lincoln and yet biographies about him, yearly.

Thanks for listening to views that you feel don't fit in with your world view...
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Here's the play again if you haven't seen it yet.

 
revkev73 said:
I didn't feel any "need" to comment on the bad call...I commented on it because I wanted to and because this is a place to share comments freely...

I didn't "see" the call yet commented on it, that it might have been hideous, yet, many other factors for a successful season are in the team's control.

Thousands of historians have never "seen" Lincoln and yet biographies about him, yearly.

Thanks for listening to views that you feel don't fit in with your world view...
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Since you didn't "see" the play, any comments you make on it are not relevant to the discussion, but that is just my opinion.
 
First look for me...I can clearly see the Gopher out of bounds.

My first reaction is...I have never seen a jump ball called that quickly...in that game situation.

Couldn't see clearly enough if Iowa player was calling timeout...assume so...

Choke call by the refs...or...a deliberate home court give away...or inept stupidity.

Sighs around...
 
I agree that Iowa was robbed up at Minneapolis. No doubt about it.

I do think some of it balances out. I was sitting with two rabid Michigan football fans at the Iowa Michigan football game last fall. When Iowa roughed their center, leading to a field goal, they said good call and I was screaming. Later, their was a face mask penalty on Desmond King that led to our winning FG. The Michigan fans were whining like crazy; I just kept my mouth shut.

I think the officiating starts to balance out over time.
 
hagarwood said:
I think you are wrong about that. There are teams that get home calls and teams that do not. Penn St., Northwestern, Nebraska, and Iowa very rarely get the benefit of at home officiating. MSU, Indiana, tOSU, Minnesota clearly do from my observations. I rematched the OT and can't find any play with Peter where they missed a charge. I can say that Cook was very clearly fouled on the last shot of regulation. He was too quick for Bryant and rather than give up a dunk he wrapped his arms around Tyler to stop him. A nice play call by Fran and no call. Referees are human they make mistakes, but what's bad is when they get caught up by the momentum of the game or predetermine what might happen in a situation. The Ellingson call was just that. He thought Minnesota is going to try to tie him up so that's what I'll call. When players try to make a defensive play on a breakaway and don't touch the shooter; how many times have you seen a foul called because the ref thought it was going to happen. Big Ten officiating is not bad, but it a little below average for the power 5 conferences and the Minnesota game call is in the top 3 for worst call of the year and by rule could not have been reviewed.
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Anticipation whistles are the worst.
 
revkev73 said:
I am assuming the call was dicked up on many levels...not very professional...just doesn't matter now.
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Dicked up at Minnesnowta, sounds about right.
Now, lets have that rematch and the Hawks will be the ones inflicting the dicking.
 
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