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Bigtenchamp

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Since we always want to bring up a biatch fest on this.

It was hard to find hard statistics but I read that Iowa state

was.

62-5 at home the last 4 years.

I found that Iowa was

58-10 over that same stretch.

So while I agree that Hilton is louder and more raucous..

Does it REALLY matter that much?

The answer is no and the entire Carver constant biatch fit that's gone on for 30 years is a big waste of breath.

I'm not saying the criticism of Carver is without merit - I'm just saying its pretty non consequential.
 
Hasn't someone like KenPom analyzed the actual data in depth? I would assume he's got something that adjusts for how good the team is overall and includes a strength of schedule adjustment.
 
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Its just sad that the students these days are so apathetic to our college sports teams. They don't even realize they're in the midst of perhaps the greatest sporting year in Iowa history. Or else they do realize it and still don't care, which is almost worse. Either way I despise them for it. I was at Iowa from 2000-2004, so I experienced some extreme lows and extreme highs (2002 football). Even years when Iowa was terrible, we still got drunk and loud and supported the team every single home game.

Iowa currently has what...23,000 undergrads? They can't get even a couple thousand of those kids to attend a home game to cheer on a top 10 football or basketball school? I dont know what that is, besides pathetic.
 
mopkins said:
Its just sad that the students these days are so apathetic to our college sports teams. They don't even realize they're in the midst of perhaps the greatest sporting year in Iowa history. Or else they do realize it and still don't care, which is almost worse. Either way I despise them for it. I was at Iowa from 2000-2004, so I experienced some extreme lows and extreme highs (2002 football). Even years when Iowa was terrible, we still got drunk and loud and supported the team every single home game.

Iowa currently has what...23,000 undergrads? They can't get even a couple thousand of those kids to attend a home game to cheer on a top 10 football or basketball school? I dont know what that is, besides pathetic.
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I think they would rather go to a bar watch the game with its big screen tvs and drink muchos cervazas while hitting on the ladies. The marketing dept really needs to figure out a way to get the students involved. They are the future fans.

Maybe Hilton environment is the way it is because ISU s ucks at everythingelse. Its the one thing they can hang their hat on and be proud about.
 
GrandpaHawk said:
Because they take air out of the basketball.
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Still no one is addressing my question - does it really matter when it comes to winning championships?

I'm thinking people realize it's not that important.

this isn't the NFL when you can get home field advantage in the playoffs.
 
With all the talk about Hilton Magic and Carver-Hawkeye being a tomb, the stats are pretty surprising.
 
Bigtenchamp said:
Still no one is addressing my question - does it really matter when it comes to winning championships?

I'm thinking people realize it's not that important.

this isn't the NFL when you can get home field advantage in the playoffs.
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I think it matters, and like I said, I bet KenPom has an analysis that would show it. I don't pay $ for all the cool stats though, so I can't back up my assertion.
 
I have been saying this for years in these threads. The activities of the crowd have little to no affect on the outcome of the game. This is always about some fan wanting to inject their own self importance into the game.
 
It would not effect a seasoned player but the fans can get into a younger players head and rattle them.So yes playing at home can be a difference maker. I also feel the fans can energize the home team also.
 
For the "it doesn't matter" crowd, while I agree that it's the team that has the direct outcome on the effect of the game and not the crowd, are you going to tell me that it doesn't help if the crowd is rowdy and creates a more hostile environment for the visitors? That the home team can't feed off of that energy? That it *might*, on occasion, have some effect on the refs and you get a little home cookin'?

If it doesn't matter, then why is it so much more difficult to win on the road? Besides, a great environment can't hurt recruiting, can it? Would you rather have a morgue or a lively arena when recruits visit?

Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree that it makes zero difference. Just my opinion obviously, but I'm sticking to it.
 
sioux34 said:
I have been saying this for years in these threads. The activities of the crowd have little to no affect on the outcome of the game. This is always about some fan wanting to inject their own self importance into the game.
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Can have an effect on recruiting, though.
 
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