Hey Jon.....
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Lol dummy audibles...couldn't have said it better myself. So when defenses point to and rotate into position that happens to be exactly where we run the football to, that's them guessing correctly...100% of the time? From a probability perspective that's probably not possible.
It's obvious we aren't going to agree on this. You're a company man and I'm not. BF has been a disaster and the numbers speak for themselves thus far. He's worse than GDavis at this point.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
You're right, we don't agree...and it has nothing to do with anyone being a 'company man', so GTFO of here with that weak sauce. I'm the only 'media member' I know of to get their creds revoked for a line of criticism and we wouldn't have gotten them back were it not for Rob and Pat then at AllHawkeyes also getting theirs revoked when Iowa decided to not credential some websites...and that backfired..so they had to let everyone back in. Just because you and I disagree doesn't mean there is a conspiracy afoot...so you can take that garbage elsewhere voluntarily or I can oblige you in another way.
hawkeyes87
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Do you know this is true? Doesn't make much sense since most of BF's experience has been in the Iowa system. Why change up the terminology?
DBAHawkFan
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Ok, so if these players on the field are the best we've got, then it's a failure on recruiting. We are 20 years in and I don't see it changing. Not when our top WR will be our RB.
I actually don't go into a year with a set number of wins in mind. Cause we're rarely correct and too many variables.
Instead I have the following benchmarks for Iowa
Win all OOC games
Win division, or very least be in conversation last weekend (and not needing 30 conditions to win)
Return to KOK offensive numbers (so 60th overall offense), and improve upon it each year when we have experience returning
If that still means it's 7-5, so be it. These are games and they should be entertaining. Watching Iowa go 3&Out ten times a game from their own 10 yard line is painful. Watching other teams call out our plays is maddening.
We don't have to change THAT much to have a little more fluidity to our offense. I don't think we need to become a Big 12 team, but imagine if we did put up those points with our defenses over the years....do we really go 7-5 / 8-4 ?
Something happened to KF after the 2006 season. Maybe it was the arrests and legal issues where he said no more "problem child" athletes. And decided we would try to win games by playing the equivalent of 4 corners in basketball pre shot clock.
2008 / 2010 he loosened up a bit because we had NFL talent across the board. So basically if we don't have once in a lifetime players, we decide to play keep away.
I'll still give BF the rest of the year to see if there's any improvement. So far tho it's same as it ever was
I actually don't go into a year with a set number of wins in mind. Cause we're rarely correct and too many variables.
Instead I have the following benchmarks for Iowa
Win all OOC games
Win division, or very least be in conversation last weekend (and not needing 30 conditions to win)
Return to KOK offensive numbers (so 60th overall offense), and improve upon it each year when we have experience returning
If that still means it's 7-5, so be it. These are games and they should be entertaining. Watching Iowa go 3&Out ten times a game from their own 10 yard line is painful. Watching other teams call out our plays is maddening.
We don't have to change THAT much to have a little more fluidity to our offense. I don't think we need to become a Big 12 team, but imagine if we did put up those points with our defenses over the years....do we really go 7-5 / 8-4 ?
Something happened to KF after the 2006 season. Maybe it was the arrests and legal issues where he said no more "problem child" athletes. And decided we would try to win games by playing the equivalent of 4 corners in basketball pre shot clock.
2008 / 2010 he loosened up a bit because we had NFL talent across the board. So basically if we don't have once in a lifetime players, we decide to play keep away.
I'll still give BF the rest of the year to see if there's any improvement. So far tho it's same as it ever was
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
Yup. Kirk, From March (OkstHawk is gonna be so disappointed):
Q. Are you pleased with where you are at?
KIRK FERENTZ: No, we’ve never looked real pretty in the spring; at least I can’t remember a year where that’s the case. That’s just part of spring practice, and if we’re there on August 30th, I’ll be a little concerned. But hopefully we’ll be further ahead at that point.
Q. How much is that due to a new offense and how much is it due to a lack of experience?
KIRK FERENTZ: It’s a little bit of each probably. The new offense, it’s new nomenclature, just the way we describe things, call things, that type of deal. Everybody has been learning on the fly on that one, and that’ll take us a while. This spring has been good for that. You’ve got to get out on the field and actually use the nomenclature, make the calls, that type of thing, and then go out and try to execute it.
We’re in the developmental stage for sure, but you know, every day is a good experience that way.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
They just lost two games by one possession, one to the #4 ranked team in the nation on the last second of the game.
Sometimes, the other team is better, or plays better.
So touchy...why do you take being a company man as a negative thing? YOU assigned the negative connotation with it, not me...so let's have a dialogue instead of you trying to act like you've been disrespected in some way. I honestly don't care who almost had what revoked x number of years ago.
The rules on this message board say don't call out players by name but yet you and some of the other folks (posters and mods) on this board can't wait to talk about execution. Execution is just another way to say it's the players fault. We seldom--not never, but seldom here an honest critique of the guys making bank off these young men for the failure by them to do their jobs. THAT is weak sauce man.
Yep, proves my point Jon. They've been working on nomenclature for six months and still don't have it figured out? That is concerning.
HawkPrdatr40
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Exactly I’m not to sure Iowa Iowa has actually audibled into many different plays as originally called.. My guess a true offensive play change hasn’t happened very much at all..
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
Let's be frank...save some time for both of us. I think you're a delta bravo, and you just wait for the negative things to happen. I've got no time to waste on users like this. So as far as I am concerned, we're done here.
-------when you misspell the coaches name you lose credibility and any perception of maturity.
Ok, fair enough.....I can live with that. But what I cannot live with is supporting for one more second an AD who hasn't one F'n clue about how to take Athletic Programs to the Next Level....if he did, Dirk would have been canned years ago.
Ok, fair enough.....I can live with that. But what I cannot live with is supporting for one more second an AD who hasn't one F'n clue about how to take Athletic Programs to the Next Level....if he did, Dirk would have been canned years ago.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
which is pretty smart, given how everyone says they know where Iowa is going to go on an audible, right?
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
What are some ways you can make an impact with your displeasure? I dont know the answers, but I can definitely tell you that posting like a third grader on a message board the coaches or AD's you are so incensed with will have zero impact. Write Gary a letter, don't buy tickets, etc.
hawkeyes87
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Still doesn't make sense to me, given BF was here for the old terms. Changing just to remove all traces of the GD "taint"?
I know you didn't have a vote / not on you to explain it.
--------are you talking about the Orange Bowl win, the Doak Walker winner, Outland Trophy winner, 12-0 regular season for the first time in history, two top-ten finishes, a Rose Bowl, an historic, 22-play drive for the ages away from making it to the Final Four, etc?
Orange Bowl win over an overrated ACC team? Boy, I bet that win stayed at the top of the nations sports consciousness for all of about 24 hours.
How does a Doak Walker and Outland Trophy winner fit into the equation? This is about team results!!!
12-0 against the easiest schedule this side of BYU in 1984.....then we lose two (2) in a row, showing our ass to the world in the Rose Bowl....counting 2016, we went on to go 3-4 over the next seven (7) games.
Orange Bowl win over an overrated ACC team? Boy, I bet that win stayed at the top of the nations sports consciousness for all of about 24 hours.
How does a Doak Walker and Outland Trophy winner fit into the equation? This is about team results!!!
12-0 against the easiest schedule this side of BYU in 1984.....then we lose two (2) in a row, showing our ass to the world in the Rose Bowl....counting 2016, we went on to go 3-4 over the next seven (7) games.
deanvogs
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I'm betting @JonDMiller is regretting letting the Dirty 30 (@OkstHawk and @Playmaker) back in the house right about now.
deanvogs
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This sounds exactly what Clown fans troll.
Well thank you for calling me names! Thought we could have a civil debate but perhaps I should have tempered my expectations. Typically when folks start calling others names it means they have nothing substantive to respond with (I've done it a few times so I know!). G'day to you mate.
