If this is truly what they are doing, they I'm good with it. If they rotate QBs throughout the game for no apparent reason, then I have a much bigger problem. But you are right, I should take a more "wait and see" approach.
Heard that coaches said that...
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MiniMoeHawk
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How about you let CJ play until they lose a game? Jake had his shots against ISU and came up short. Let's see what CJ can do
ChosenChildren
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I disagree and think JR is probably a pretty mentally tough kid to make it on such a great High School team and Florida all-star team. And he seems to be high academically and probably very disciplined.
I think JR is going to try very hard and try to win the permanent starting position. I think he will play smart good football and be good.
If CJ ends up winning the position then kudos to him or JR if he wins it.
QuadCityHawkeye
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This is absolutely stupid and will cost Iowa at least one game if it stick. I would have been less upset had they just named Rudock the starter and I think Beathard is better. Mark my words, this isn't going to go well because you need someone to get into the flow of a game and you can't bounce QB's back and forth. I can't remember the last time this was successful in college football.
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tubahawk
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First, this is KF's decision to make. Until I hear him say there will be a QB rotation I will be skeptical of that rotation happening.
Second, historically KF has shown he prefers a "game manager" over a "play maker" at QB (someone who takes what the defense gives them and controls time of possession). Time of possession will be crucial against Indiana. KF will want to keep Indiana's offense off of the field.
I think these two things along with KF's tendency to be loyal to starters favors Rudock being named starting QB against Indiana.
Second, historically KF has shown he prefers a "game manager" over a "play maker" at QB (someone who takes what the defense gives them and controls time of possession). Time of possession will be crucial against Indiana. KF will want to keep Indiana's offense off of the field.
I think these two things along with KF's tendency to be loyal to starters favors Rudock being named starting QB against Indiana.
That's a lot of cluelessness in 1 post. First off, not many asked for a "shake up". They asked for CJ as the starter. Secondly, "vocal minority"? You clearly don't get out much. Ask around twitter, facebook, the library, your mom's basement, the barber shop, the water cooler and you hear the same thing. The "vocal minority" at this point are the blind KF lapdogs whether you like it or not. What most fans are asking for is KF not to be a stubborn ***, which is quite difficult for him as we all know. There is 0 reason for Rudock to start a game unless CJ falls on his face regardless if he's a quality QB and a model American or not.
MelroseHawkins
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Looks like they'll see who ends up getting the hot hand for each game & going with whoever. Hmm. Who know. They are so even. Jon said it best on his podcast, paraphrase "CJ can do everything that Jake can do, there are a couple things Jake can't do that CJ can". This will get interesting. Maybe they are so close it won't matter much??
ICHawk24
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Basically every time NW beats us.
GesterHawk
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Asking for the back up is inherently a shake up, don't you think?
GesterHawk
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The vocal minority are the folks that question the program, coaches, and players at every turn.
The people that refuse to acknowledge the change they have been demanding is actually happening.
GesterHawk
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Oooo, you pulled out the "your mom's basement" comment.
I have now seen the light. You are 100% right, Jake has no redeeming qualities as a QB and Kirk might as well be coaching scarecrows in a corn field because knows nothing about winning football games and he has a gum chewing problem that should be looked into.
If only someone would have used the "your mom's basement" line on me sooner I might be smart enough to be a lawyer, 4 inches taller, and have won the lottery by now.
MelroseHawkins
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That's a lot of cluelessness in 1 post. First off, not many asked for a "shake up". They asked for CJ as the starter. Secondly, "vocal minority"? You clearly don't get out much. Ask around twitter, facebook, the library, your mom's basement, the barber shop, the water cooler and you hear the same thing. The "vocal minority" at this point are the blind KF lapdogs whether you like it or not. What most fans are asking for is KF not to be a stubborn ***, which is quite difficult for him as we all know. There is 0 reason for Rudock to start a game unless CJ falls on his face regardless if he's a quality QB and a model American or not.
Oooo, you pulled out the "your mom's basement" comment.
I have now seen the light. You are 100% right, Jake has no redeeming qualities as a QB and Kirk might as well be coaching scarecrows in a corn field because knows nothing about winning football games and he has a gum chewing problem that should be looked into.
If only someone would have used the "your mom's basement" line on me sooner I might be smart enough to be a lawyer, 4 inches taller, and have won the lottery by now
Ooh, Cat Fight!!!!!!
GesterHawk
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Originally Posted by Travisam
That's a lot of cluelessness in 1 post. First off, not many asked for a "shake up". They asked for CJ as the starter. Secondly, "vocal minority"? You clearly don't get out much. Ask around twitter, facebook, the library, your mom's basement, the barber shop, the water cooler and you hear the same thing. The "vocal minority" at this point are the blind KF lapdogs whether you like it or not. What most fans are asking for is KF not to be a stubborn ***, which is quite difficult for him as we all know. There is 0 reason for Rudock to start a game unless CJ falls on his face regardless if he's a quality QB and a model American or not.
Oooo, you pulled out the "your mom's basement" comment.
I have now seen the light. You are 100% right, Jake has no redeeming qualities as a QB and Kirk might as well be coaching scarecrows in a corn field because knows nothing about winning football games and he has a gum chewing problem that should be looked into.
If only someone would have used the "your mom's basement" line on me sooner I might be smart enough to be a lawyer, 4 inches taller, and have won the lottery by now
Ooh, Cat Fight!!!!!!
Like Kirk I am playing down to my opponent.
(I would never have been able to say that if it weren't for the verbal enlightenment I recieved earlier in the thread.)
QuadCityHawkeye
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In 2012 Kane Colter played nearly entire game and Trevor Siemion threw exactly one pass for 4 yards.
In 2010 Dan Persa played the entire game.
In 2009 Mike Kafka got hurt and that allowed Dan Persa to come into the game. They split snaps due to that injury that day but I'd say Stanzi getting hurt was more of a factor in this loss.
In 2008 CJ Bacher played the entire game.
In 2006 CJ Bacher played the entire game.
In 2005 Brent Basanez played the entire games.
So actually they never did beat Iowa with a 2 QB rotation. In 2009 that wasn't even planned and like I said Stanzi getting hurt sealed that one.
HomerChampless
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Jake has started 17 games and CJ has started 1. And the coaching staff thinks the QBs are equal? Me thinks the staff wants a QB that pushes for explosive plays and produces points. It's not evident the staff wants a QB who knows the playbook inside and out. IMO, if Jake continues with explosive plays like the first half of Pitt and ALSO scores points, he has a good chance.
What if the QB competition comes down to the QB whose passes are dropped the least? To FGs made or missed? Fourth downs converted? Do we boo? Who do we boo?
What if the QB competition comes down to the QB whose passes are dropped the least? To FGs made or missed? Fourth downs converted? Do we boo? Who do we boo?
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ArvadaHawk
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Yeah, I think the bolded part makes most sense. Sure, both qb's may play, or maybe just one. But why not make an already terrible defensive team have to prepare for two qb's that play very differently. IU will have to come up with 2 ways to defense each formation due to each qb has different tendencies and have completely different approaches, per formation.
jacknicholson
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There is another way to view this decision. Apply the situation to that of the basketball team. Some players play better off the bench. Some have starter jitters being in the limelight and play better after watching how the game is going and what they need to do when they enter the game, come in fresh with their objectives in mind.....
CJ is so far an excellent second half QB, I am certain that would change if he started from now on, with gained experience. Jake is a solid QB, but perhaps has been hampered by the conservative nature of the offense, which seems to have changed under CJ. Jake can throw the mid-range pass and the long pass. Hopefully things will open up for him to do so if he starts. It would make things more difficult to prepare for the Hawks if the opponent doesn't know who is going to start and how long he will stay in the game.....
All that said, the team seems to be more aggressive and confident under CJ who had one of the better halves in a long time against Purdue and Pitt. I realize Purdue isn't Alabana, but CJ and the Defense schooled them the second half.....
If Jake is 100%, perhaps he should get the chance to play. He has the skills, and was a victim of the scheme and the inexperience of the Defense the first three games. The opponents defense was resting on the bench for large portions of the game and when our offense came in, they were well rested and ready to go, while our offense was somewhat stale. Jake's comeback against Ball State was one of the better comebacks lately, same as CJ against Pitt.....
I personally would like to see CJ start the rest of the season. He looks like he could be one of the better QBs at Iowa, among the best with his rocket arm. If he takes a little mustard off the throw, there might be fewer dropped passes.....
If we do experiment with two QBs in the same game, it could go either way, but there is a strong possibility that it will work creating a nightmare for our opponents.....
Kirk's Loyalty sometimes has a negative effect, hopefully not this time. We have two good QBs who will both get better as time goes on. Jake played well last season, all things considered.....
Simply random thoughts from a hopeless Homer.....
CJ is so far an excellent second half QB, I am certain that would change if he started from now on, with gained experience. Jake is a solid QB, but perhaps has been hampered by the conservative nature of the offense, which seems to have changed under CJ. Jake can throw the mid-range pass and the long pass. Hopefully things will open up for him to do so if he starts. It would make things more difficult to prepare for the Hawks if the opponent doesn't know who is going to start and how long he will stay in the game.....
All that said, the team seems to be more aggressive and confident under CJ who had one of the better halves in a long time against Purdue and Pitt. I realize Purdue isn't Alabana, but CJ and the Defense schooled them the second half.....
If Jake is 100%, perhaps he should get the chance to play. He has the skills, and was a victim of the scheme and the inexperience of the Defense the first three games. The opponents defense was resting on the bench for large portions of the game and when our offense came in, they were well rested and ready to go, while our offense was somewhat stale. Jake's comeback against Ball State was one of the better comebacks lately, same as CJ against Pitt.....
I personally would like to see CJ start the rest of the season. He looks like he could be one of the better QBs at Iowa, among the best with his rocket arm. If he takes a little mustard off the throw, there might be fewer dropped passes.....
If we do experiment with two QBs in the same game, it could go either way, but there is a strong possibility that it will work creating a nightmare for our opponents.....
Kirk's Loyalty sometimes has a negative effect, hopefully not this time. We have two good QBs who will both get better as time goes on. Jake played well last season, all things considered.....
Simply random thoughts from a hopeless Homer.....
okeefe4prez
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In 2012, NU barely had to pass to beat us because we were so bad thanks to Davis. They beat most teams that year with a rotation, though. I think Siemien got two series in that game, but he just had to hand it off to Venric Mark.
