homes
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Agree, particularly if you use them while they're on your team.
Had A Bad Feeling About This
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ChosenChildren
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They are both gone.
It would be great to send them out with a great win against LIttle Red, followed by a Holiday Bowl victory.
Brian, you f.....ing blockhead, please feature both players at the same time on the majority of the snaps. Please.
It would be great to send them out with a great win against LIttle Red, followed by a Holiday Bowl victory.
Brian, you f.....ing blockhead, please feature both players at the same time on the majority of the snaps. Please.
ChosenChildren
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I think the job Brian Ferentz did this year in failing to get Fant the ball will go down as the second worst coaching job ever at Iowa. The worst was in 1997 when Hayden couldn't figure out a way to get Tim Dwight the ball more than 4 or 5 times a game. That was the all time worst.
Fryowa
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I disagree. Wadley was never going to play Sunday’s, but King would have been drafted higher (and made more money) by leaving after his explosive junior year. He hurt himself by staying. Arguing that he would have fallen to the 5th round after his junior year is absurd and I won’t even humor that. It’s just bogus and we all know it.
His contract is $2,680,000 with only the signing bonus guaranteed ($280,000).
A first or second rounder gets 4 years or 2 years guaranteed respectively, and the average signing bonus of a first rounder last year was over $5 million which is double King’s entire (non-guaranteed) contract.
Northside Hawk
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Yes. All they have to do is look no further than one of their own. CJ Fiedorowicz.
Fryowa
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It’s not typical to see it out of redshirt sophomores, even if they’re really good. And I think the rub in this case is that fans feel Kirk and Brian’s head scratching playcalling is driving some of it. If TJ were my kid I’d tell his ass that if he’s projected in rounds 1-3 where there’s guaranteed money he better put his moped and textbooks on Craigslist.
Northside Hawk
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The only wild card in all this is the honesty of the projections. Obviously they can't tell 150 kids that they will go rounds 1-3 because there's not enough draft picks to take all of them that high.
InGoodCo
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Of course they do, that’s silly. It happens every season all over the country. Anyone who can become an instant millionaire is going to explore that option. If they are going to be selected in the first 3 rounds or higher who can blame them? Fant was always going, TJ earned that right with his play this season. The coaches have helped both of these guys go from unknown and no where near the NFL to being able to consider leaving in 3 years of college. I bet they HATE and resent their coaches. That sounds so stupid. The fact is if they were used more, their draft stock would be even higher, so that makes no sense
Ironically, Fant was probably leaving anyway but Hockenson probably increased his chances and stats quite a bit due to the coaches decisions to play him much more than Fant. Obviously, when Fant is on the field, Stanley is a less likely to target Hockenson, than if somebody like Groeneweg is out there for example. Both are 1a and 1b targets on this team by a wide margin.
HawkeyeTech
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I've said the same thing. It's all about the measurables.
InGoodCo
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Fant was leaving before the year started, how any of this wasn’t known and expected before this tweet is astonishing to me. It’s been written and talked about by every Hawkeye guy all season long. Same with TJ. Expect every single 3rd year guy who’s decent to do this every season. Iowa prides itself and recruits on being an NFL pipeline, every draft eligible player who has a shot is not only going to weigh their options, it’s encouraged by this staff.... especially guys who are Mackey finalist
How exactly did King hurt himself by staying? Because he wasn't targeted? He was just as effective when he was. Minkah Fitzpatrick was barely thrown at last season (he had 1 INT) and still won the Thorpe AND went number 11 in the following draft. Because he was a much better athlete than King.
This mock draft by Walter Football, which is pretty reputable for mock drafts, had him going with the 24th pick as late as December 2016.
http://walterfootball.com/mocks/publishedmock/57102/1
In addition, the 2016 draft class was just as deep at DB as the 2017 class. There were a combined 22 DBs (15 CBs and 7 safeties) taken within the first 3 rounds of that draft.
It goes back to the NFL being hung up on measurables, which Desmond unfortunately lacked in. To his credit, and nobody's surprise here, he's far outplayed the 5th round pick that was used on him. But he was never going to break the top 3 rounds because the NFL is predictable as hell when it comes to evaluation.
Again, I'm NOT saying Fant and Hockensen will absolutely benefit by staying another year, because they DO have the measurables the NFL fawns over. But going early does not always equal better draft position.
Here's to hoping Beyer is the athlete he's rumored to be... and they get him off the PR team.
Fryowa
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You make sense until you go full drama queen exaggeration mode.
I never once said either one of ‘em hates their coaches.
And you’re right, that does “sound stupid.”
But you said it, not me.
M1911A1Hawkeye
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Good luck to them both.
They were wrong then and they were wrong after his Sr yr too... Dude is just a ball hawking football player. Just because he's not the tallest/longest or fastest. He's plenty fast enough...
