Gopher Players threaten to Boycott Bowl Game.

[HuckFinn]

Boycott has ended already lol
https://www.landof10.com/big-ten/breaking-minnesota-players-end-boycott-will-play-holiday-bowl

This makes good sense. Sounds like the players were educated as to the seriousness of the events and had their voices heard. It is clear that the players' initial reaction stemmed from a lack of information. Seems like a reasonable solution. I am not interested in judging the entire football team based on the behavior of some members.

Just to be clear, the color of the skin of the offenders is of no interest to me at all. It is only another "look over there" distraction from the actual problem. I am relieved that, other than a couple of outliers, the reaction on this board seems right on.

 

[GrandpaHawk]

Doesn't sit well for the BIG either,hopefully they can move on from this and get there shit together.Might be wrong but think they will get bulldozed by Wash. St,their heads aren't into the game.

 

[EstronHawk]

ESPN announced that the Minnesota players ended the boycott this morning and will now play in the Holiday Bowl.

 

[NCHawker]

I hope that Universities and students embrace women's safety programs. Women need to be aware of the hazards of mixing alcohol with hormones and some jocks. Women who are victims can't get over what happens to them with ease. Regardless of fault. It is trauma. Drunk jock sniffing chicks put themselves at great risk.

AND MEN must somehow learn sexual morality. Real life isn't a porn video.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Sounds like the message they got was "it's bigger than you guys"... based on their statement.

I hope that Universities and students embrace women's safety programs. Women need to be aware of the hazards of mixing alcohol with hormones and some jocks. Women who are victims can't get over what happens to them with ease. Regardless of fault. It is trauma. Drunk jock sniffing chicks put themselves at great risk.

AND MEN must somehow learn sexual morality. Real life isn't a porn video.

Dare I suggest a good starting point would be an honest discussion about rap "music" and its role in shaping attitudes. There's no better example of degrading misogynistic messages about the treatment of women. But somehow...it gets a free pass. Wonder why?

 

[Joshbrown]

I live up here and it is dominating the news. I think the bowl game is gone for the Goofs. Claeys needs to be fired and these whiney football players suspended or dismissed. What a huge toilet bowl for MN, its gonna hurt them for years.

Minnesota was already in a funk lasting a half century. So while I agree with you that this will sting, Penn State has made me cynical regarding the lasting effect of college scandals. It troubles me that Penn State is back on top so soon after their scandal. Not that I'm expecting Minnesota to be on top soon . . . or ever.

 

[Joshbrown]

I hope that Universities and students embrace women's safety programs. Women need to be aware of the hazards of mixing alcohol with hormones and some jocks. Women who are victims can't get over what happens to them with ease. Regardless of fault. It is trauma. Drunk jock sniffing chicks put themselves at great risk.

AND MEN must somehow learn sexual morality. Real life isn't a porn video.

Ask yourself this question. Why are women's safety programs required in 2016 when they are the majority on many campuses, and women didn't need those same programs in 1956 when they were the minority on campus and had much less power?

I would say a general breakdown in societal morality is the reason.

 

[HawkGold]

Ask yourself this question. Why are women's safety programs required in 2016 when they are the majority on many campuses, and women didn't need those same programs in 1956 when they were the minority on campus and had much less power?

I would say a general breakdown in societal morality is the reason.

Because then it was hidden. Look at Baylor or even the Iowa has handled things not that long ago. With the internet it's harder to hide things. Everyone has video on their phones. In 1956 we were only 26 years from women voting.
Imagine being black and living in the south 26 years after the end of the Civil War.

 

[HawkGold]

Sounds like the message they got was "it's bigger than you guys"... based on their statement.


Dare I suggest a good starting point would be an honest discussion about rap "music" and it's role in shaping attitudes. There's no better example of degrading misogynistic messages about the treatment of women. But somehow...it gets a free pass. Wonder why?

You have a valid point. At my university, the band was mostly white. They didn't play gansta rap. This sort of thing happened about every weekend with the band.

 

[Joshbrown]

Sounds like the message they got was "it's bigger than you guys"... based on their statement.


Dare I suggest a good starting point would be an honest discussion about rap "music" and it's role in shaping attitudes. There's no better example of degrading misogynistic messages about the treatment of women. But somehow...it gets a free pass. Wonder why?

This is true. But the root cause is the breakdown of the nuclear biological family which has left black boys (and girls) without ever-present strong male role models. Now of course this breakdown which was first pointed out in the 60s has spread to every other demographic.

Basically the unintended consequences of the great society programs is that American parents have farmed their responsibilities out to others, usually the gov't. Simultaneous with that those same parents have willed themselves into perpetual adolescence. There is a special irony when NCHawker calls for more government programs to fix a problem largely caused by government programs that encourage/enable a lack of personal responsibility.

 

[HawkGold]

This is true. But the root cause is the breakdown of the nuclear biological family which has left black boys (and girls) without ever-present strong male role models. Now of course this breakdown which was first pointed out in the 60s has spread to every other demographic.

Basically the unintended consequences of the great society programs is that American parents have farmed their responsibilities out to others, usually the gov't. Simultaneous with that those same parents have willed themselves into perpetual adolescence. There is a special irony when NCHawker calls for more government programs to fix a problem largely caused by government programs that encourage/enable a lack of personal responsibility.

I"m not pro Great Society, but the breakdown's root cause are continued racism, lack of opportunity, we are finding out the trauma is passed down through genes and so on. There is a Big Ten university town where rich whites want a new school in an area that is not easily accessible by the poor and what they are doing is closing the mostly black school and rebuilding it in a white dominated area and proposing to move those poor students to the high school being vacated by whites.

Josh, racism is alive and well in the US. GS is/was a problem, but a symptom not the root. Opportunities just aren't there. Even in Iowa, a black kid going to Waterloo or Cedar Falls...which one will get the better education?

 

[NCHawker]

Ask yourself this question. Why are women's safety programs required in 2016 when they are the majority on many campuses, and women didn't need those same programs in 1956 when they were the minority on campus and had much less power?

I would say a general breakdown in societal morality is the reason.

I absolutely agree.

 

[HawkGold]

I absolutely agree.

So when did we have all this family morality? When was the best time period for the family? The eastern Iowa community I grew up in was pretty dysfunctional. Swinging married couples with children, rampant alcoholism, Doobie Brothers (what was that title about?), Crystal Blue Persuation, Donna Sommer (wanna love you baby),
hazing/violence in all white small town schools....

Just want to know when this great time period was. My parents got married out of wedlock (older sisters), my mom like the Jewell T man, a former teacher of mine murdered by husband in IC and vacuumed burnt remains strewn along I 80.... and we were a normal town....

My wife was in our university band and left due to the alcohol incited gang bangs of other girls (rape) in an almost entirely white band. I was friends with one of the girls who was so called "enjoying it". She was truly a nice girl who was abandoned by her father. Guys could get her to take a drink.... Today she's married with kids to a successful family practice MD.

When was this time?

 

[hawkdrummer1]

You have a valid point. At my university, the band was mostly white. They didn't play gansta rap. This sort of thing happened about every weekend with the band.

Apparently you're out to set some kind of record for "missing the point". Then again, I realize some are just here to immediately disagree or pick other's posts apart anywhere they see an opportunity.

 

[phdsvp]

So Tracy C. is fired (probably after the bowl to keep the players from going off the reservation again), and Minnesota football after expulsions (there will be multiple...Title IX will get its scalps) will be set back another ten years.

And no one will be allowed to say anything in public that will prevent the next incident. No one.

 

[HawkGold]

Apparently you're out to set some kind of record for "missing the point". Then again, I realize some are just here to immediately disagree or pick other's posts apart anywhere they see an opportunity.

With some people it's pretty easy. With you, Josh, and Fry something anyway. You guys cousins?

Sawl Good! Right?

 

[Seth53]

Blame Obama

 

[hawkeyebob62]

So when did we have all this family morality? When was the best time period for the family? The eastern Iowa community I grew up in was pretty dysfunctional. Swinging married couples with children, rampant alcoholism, Doobie Brothers (what was that title about?), Crystal Blue Persuation, Donna Sommer (wanna love you baby),
hazing/violence in all white small town schools....

Just want to know when this great time period was. My parents got married out of wedlock (older sisters), my mom like the Jewell T man, a former teacher of mine murdered by husband in IC and vacuumed burnt remains strewn along I 80.... and we were a normal town....

My wife was in our university band and left due to the alcohol incited gang bangs of other girls (rape) in an almost entirely white band. I was friends with one of the girls who was so called "enjoying it". She was truly a nice girl who was abandoned by her father. Guys could get her to take a drink.... Today she's married with kids to a successful family practice MD.

When was this time?

For a rambling, didn't-make-much-sense, contradict-itself-throughout post, you also managed to make it about two paragraphs too long. Kudos.

 

[HawkGold]

For a rambling, didn't-make-much-sense, contradict-itself-throughout post, you also managed to make it about two paragraphs too long. Kudos.

Let me paraphrase so you can understand.

Was it because of a decline in family units....No, that's always been a problem, even in Iowa.
Was it because of the fact they were black...No, white's have done this as well.
Was it because of the Great Society? No, the GS was an attempt to fix an existing race/opportunity problem.
Was it the girls fault? Stupidity and Naivete are not a reason to get gang raped.
Was the boycott because of the players demanding to know why the suspension? Apparently yes and for many not because of the suspension for what occurred.
Did the coach support the boycott? Yes, but did he know everything? Hmmm.
Does this subject evict a lot of emotion on both sides? Yes do to life's experiences on both sides of the fence.
Do some on here back track from statements? yes, happens a lot especially when called out. I've been wrong a few times too.
Are people uncomfortable with the subject? of course. My guess some would like to see Mary Beth Haglin go to jail. Others think of the minor student...that sly dog. This like the MN case will always bring out emotion. What is different is that it is much harder to ignore such things with current technology.

My suspicion is that those who have been posting on either side are particularly close to this type of subject either as a victim/close to a victim or as the accused or close to the accused.

 

[trj]

Sounds like the message they got was "it's bigger than you guys"... based on their statement.


Dare I suggest a good starting point would be an honest discussion about rap "music" and its role in shaping attitudes. There's no better example of degrading misogynistic messages about the treatment of women. But somehow...it gets a free pass. Wonder why?

You can single out rap music if you want, but there are plenty of things in pop culture, in society that degrade and objectify women far worse than rap music. Rap music didn't create strip clubs, rap music didn't create porn, rap music didn't create Tinder. Rap music certainly didn't create the breakdown of the family unit. Imagine in your late teens, early 20's you had access to porn the way these kids now have it .....without proper guidance it could warp your perception of things. A hookup nowadays as easy as a swipe right.

I think you are being shortsighted on this. I don't know man, if you are getting the decay of society from some lyrics about how some girl's booty jiggles then then go ahead and make it a black thing.