Garza and Nunge next year

Tierney said:
If Nunge is six foot eleven and 220 lbs. right now, I'd bet he plays next year. He is a shooter and shot blocker. Garza is supposedly gifted offensively too.
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At this point in time, Nunge is rated by 247 as a high 3-star (.8819) and Garza is rated as a 4-star (.9258). Compare that with our current bigs of Uhl (3-star .8422), Pemsl (3-star, .8648), Kriener (3-star, .8385) and Cook (4-star, .9716).
 
I don't think Nunge redshirts. Maybe Kreiner could RS. Unless Uhl has a big offseason transformation heading into his senior year, I could see his minutes dropping as Nunge skill set offers similar abilities but a much higher ceiling. Next year is a get back in the dance year, then in two years...that is the big chance.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Sorry to have an opinion dude. Dang man.
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Of course you should not be sorry for having an opinion and I would never suggest you should not speak your mind. Probably should have dropped my last sentence. I think I was responding to (not you) but to a lot of posts earlier in the season where people had half the kids transferring when we were only a few games in. Ellingson, was always going to transfer, starting last year in the first 3 games. I just get impatient with jumping to conclusions. Meant no offense.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Here's my take:

JB - 30 min
Moss - 25 min
Baer - 25 min
Cook - 25 min
Garza - 20 min
Pemsl - 18 min
Wagner - 17 min
Brady - 15 min
Uhl - 15 min
Maishe - 10 min (or Williams)

Cut Kreiner from the mix, I'm basing that off the belief that Garza is better. Redshirt Nunge. Uhl plays primarily at the 3 where he makes us a better rebounding and defensive team. Brady and/or Maishe spell Bo at the point.

I like that teams length defensively, size to rebound, and think there's enough 3pt shooting to be a NCAA tournament team.
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I'd take Kriener over Garza based on what I've seen
 
If Connor was only going to only play baseball, we would already have known that by now. It impacts our recruiting for both this past year and the next four years. And if he was going to play baseball solely and is as good as some scouts project, he probably wouldn't choose Iowa even if they have improved a lot under Heller.
 
HuckFinn said:
Of course you should not be sorry for having an opinion and I would never suggest you should not speak your mind. Probably should have dropped my last sentence. I think I was responding to (not you) but to a lot of posts earlier in the season where people had half the kids transferring when we were only a few games in. Ellingson, was always going to transfer, starting last year in the first 3 games. I just get impatient with jumping to conclusions. Meant no offense.
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No worries. Probably won't be more than one transfer if any and maybe red-shirting instead.

Of course we did have two guys transfer at the same position last year so then again, who knows.
 
Next year's lineup reminds me of Tom Davis' 87 team. Legit 10-11 players that could all ball. And any given day, there would be a different 3 or 4 guys lead the scoring.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I'm sorry but that's not a realistic college basketball rotation. And that's the point of what everyone is saying, cut one or two guys out of that mix and we are in good shape.
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No need to apologize but you are incorrect...if you are suggesting an 11 player rotation is not realistic. Keep in mind players won't play the exact same number of minutes in a given game. Below are the minutes for our current 11 player rotation over the last 3 games...MSU listed first.

Wagner 23, 13, 15 = 17 (average)
Cook 24, 21, 17 = 21
Moss 16, 24, 14 = 18
Bohannon 18, 45, 33 = 32
Jok 32, 40, 30 = 34
Uhl 10, 18, 15 = 14
Baer 22, 30, 24 = 25
Kriener 6, 5, 5 = 5
Pemsl 17, 22, 16 = 18
Ellingson 10, 6, 25 = 14
Williams 22, 5, 6 = 11

I realize there is a double OT game in there. But my point isn't so much the minutes but rather the rotation...11 guys playing in all 3 games when the game is on the line. That's an 11 player rotation. And Jok's departure frees up over 30 minutes a game.

Edit - People dismissing Kriener should think back to how Ellingson looked last year compared to this year.
 
WindsorHawk said:
No need to apologize but you are incorrect...if you are suggesting an 11 player rotation is not realistic. Keep in mind players won't play the exact same number of minutes in a given game. Below are the minutes for our current 11 player rotation over the last 3 games...MSU listed first.

Wagner 23, 13, 15 = 17 (average)
Cook 24, 21, 17 = 21
Moss 16, 24, 14 = 18
Bohannon 18, 45, 33 = 32
Jok 32, 40, 30 = 34
Uhl 10, 18, 15 = 14
Baer 22, 30, 24 = 25
Kriener 6, 5, 5 = 5
Pemsl 17, 22, 16 = 18
Ellingson 10, 6, 25 = 14
Williams 22, 5, 6 = 11

I realize there is a double OT game in there. But my point isn't so much the minutes but rather the rotation...11 guys playing in all 3 games when the game is on the line. That's an 11 player rotation. And Jok's departure frees up over 30 minutes a game.

Edit - People dismissing Kriener should think back to how Ellingson looked last year compared to this year.
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I don't think anyone is saying it's impossible to play 11 guys, we are saying it's not in the best interest of the team. As was mentioned in that article in another thread, it might not be a coincidence that Iowa played its best ball of the year when Cook was hurt for several games, and when Jok sat for two games, because it allowed for natural tightening of the rotation.

Also in your example I would argue that any player under 6 minutes isn't really part of the rotation, meaning we have been close to 9 deep over the last three games.
 
WindsorHawk said:
No need to apologize but you are incorrect...if you are suggesting an 11 player rotation is not realistic. Keep in mind players won't play the exact same number of minutes in a given game. Below are the minutes for our current 11 player rotation over the last 3 games...MSU listed first.

Wagner 23, 13, 15 = 17 (average)
Cook 24, 21, 17 = 21
Moss 16, 24, 14 = 18
Bohannon 18, 45, 33 = 32
Jok 32, 40, 30 = 34
Uhl 10, 18, 15 = 14
Baer 22, 30, 24 = 25
Kriener 6, 5, 5 = 5
Pemsl 17, 22, 16 = 18
Ellingson 10, 6, 25 = 14
Williams 22, 5, 6 = 11

I realize there is a double OT game in there. But my point isn't so much the minutes but rather the rotation...11 guys playing in all 3 games when the game is on the line. That's an 11 player rotation. And Jok's departure frees up over 30 minutes a game.

Edit - People dismissing Kriener should think back to how Ellingson looked last year compared to this year.
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The other knock on your original projection and why it wasn't realistic, is you were giving way too many minutes to the front court players.

You had JB, Moss, BE combined for 67 minutes, meaning one of the the other guys you listed would have to play 13 minutes at shooting guard?

At this point we aren't even certain if Cook or Wagner can play the three, so you have to spread 80 minutes at the 4/5 to Cook, Pemsl, Wagner, Garza, Kriener, not to mention Uhl, Nunge and Baer who can all play the 4. Good luck with that without cutting at least one or two from the rotation, which is what we are saying.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I don't think anyone is saying it's impossible to play 11 guys, we are saying it's not in the best interest of the team. As was mentioned in that article in another thread, it might not be a coincidence that Iowa played its best ball of the year when Cook was hurt for several games, and when Jok sat for two games, because it allowed for natural tightening of the rotation.

Also in your example I would argue that any player under 6 minutes isn't really part of the rotation, meaning we have been close to 9 deep over the last three games.
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I think with Jok it was a coincidence. I don't think playing one less guy in the rotation would help so much that it actually improves your team by taking out the best player. With Cook I think we improved because his defense and rebounding wasn't on the floor.
 
Hawkalum2002 said:
If Connor was only going to only play baseball, we would already have known that by now. It impacts our recruiting for both this past year and the next four years. And if he was going to play baseball solely and is as good as some scouts project, he probably wouldn't choose Iowa even if they have improved a lot under Heller.
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@RobHowe any thoughts? I know you're not one for speculation, but is it a possibility that CM decides to stick with baseball only at Iowa?

I recall you did an article a while back, but I couldn't find it.
 
PCHawk said:
I think with Jok it was a coincidence. I don't think playing one less guy in the rotation would help so much that it actually improves your team by taking out the best player. With Cook I think we improved because his defense and rebounding wasn't on the floor.
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Agree that cutting the rotation doesn't make up for losing you're top guy.

Jok's absence though made us less relient on one guy offensively. My belief is our offense goes stagnant from time to time as everyone tries to get the ball to Jok for a shot. Say what you want about Rutgers, but they are actually top 60 in defensive efficieny and we went out there and almost hung 50 on them in the 1H. For reference we only scored 68 on them at home with Jok.

Also, our defense improved by default.

None of this is to say we are better without Jok, he's certainly been a big reason for our success this year. I have made it known that I think Fran is playing him way too many minutes right now.

What I would do:
-Cut Kriener from rotation
-Cut Williams from rotation (BE backup PG)
-Cut Jok's minutes to 20-25 range.

That gives you a manageable 9 man rotation.
 
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