Gary Barta Feels Fortunate Kirk Ferentz is Iowa’s Coach

[westender]

This Barta quote drives me nuts. He **NEEDS** a championship in every program? How many Big Ten Championships has Barta won in the last 5 years...in ANY sport?

In fact, isn't Iowa at or near the very bottom in recent championships won in the Big Ten?

Wrestling is coming my friend. About a year away yet. But they will get there. The trend is mostly up. Basketball remains a question (can they play defense?).

 

[westender]

But but but, I thought if you had premium seating you could have a beer or wine.
That's bs. Basically anyone who has attended a game since that's been the deal should file a class action discrimination suit against the U and only ask for the same opportunity and equal treatment.

And they would laugh your ass right out of court!

 

[ChosenChildren]

You're the one who's completely incorrect.

Nebraska is the 2017 baseball B1G champion.

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth. It's the last row, third column. Nebraska is the B1G champion, Iowa won the tournament. It's the same thing as basketball (men's and women's), softball, tennis, hockey, etc.

No different than basketball...Purdue won the B1G championship and Michigan won the conference tournament. two totally different things (check out what the banner hanging in Purdue’s gym says). Look at the asterisks and footnotes if you need an explanation. Here's the 2017 baseball standings, again from the Big Ten itself. Nebraska won the conference championship and Iowa is in 4th.

Press release from the B1G saying Nebraska is the conference champ.

Here's Wikipedia's page if you believe in that sort of thing, I bet you're going to tell me that there's a conspiracy on that page singling out Iowa, huh?

I'm fine with being corrected, I get stuff wrong all the time...but if you're going to be a cunt when you correct someone at least make sure you're right.

I'm not correcting anything you said. I'm disagreeing with you.

Tournament championships are championships. Are you going to tell me that the regular season wrestling champion is more important than the wrestling tournament champion? Under your argument, it is. I think most of the Big Ten wrestling coaches would disagree with you.

You personally can value regular season championships more, but your logic can be flawed. For example, in basketball, the regular season schedules are not full round robins anymore. Some top teams don't play other top teams. Sometimes it matters a lot who you played during the regular season. The Big Ten basketball TOURNAMENT in a 14 team league actually can be a better indicator of the true champion. In baseball, during the regular season the regular season champion will only play 8 of the 13 teams. Is that title somehow more important than the tournament title, where the winner in all probability will have to defeat all of the top teams during the tournament, on a neutral field? It all depends on who you had to play and where you played them during the regular season. My whole point is that regular season championships in a huge 14 team league with uneven schedules can be misleading at times. Tournaments can be a better indicator of the best team in the conference.

They are separate and distinct championships. They give a trophy for each. They hang banners for each.

 

[Fryowa]

I'm not correcting anything you said. I'm disagreeing with you.

Tournament championships are championships. Are you going to tell me that the regular season wrestling champion is more important than the wrestling tournament champion? Under your argument, it is. I think most of the Big Ten wrestling coaches would disagree with you.

You personally can value regular season championships more, but your logic can be flawed. For example, in basketball, the regular season schedules are not full round robins anymore. Some top teams don't play other top teams. Sometimes it matters a lot who you played during the regular season. The Big Ten basketball TOURNAMENT in a 14 team league actually can be a better indicator of the true champion. In baseball, during the regular season the regular season champion will only play 8 of the 13 teams. Is that title somehow more important than the tournament title, where the winner in all probability will have to defeat all of the top teams during the tournament, on a neutral field? It all depends on who you had to play and where you played them during the regular season. My whole point is that regular season championships in a huge 14 team league with uneven schedules can be misleading at times. Tournaments can be a better indicator of the best team in the conference.

They are separate and distinct championships. They give a trophy for each. They hang banners for each.

The whole point is that the B1G doesn’t consider it a championship (it’s semantics...one call about any win a “championship”), and that’s what counts. My original post was made in reply to someone asking if we had any championships in that particular time frame and the answer is a definitive no. Look through the Big Ten record book and you will not see Iowa listed anywhere. You knew that, and because you want Iowa to look more impressive you created your own definition of what a conference title is. It’s no different than the folks who say the Hawks were conference champs in ‘15 when they know better. They leave out parts to suit them.

To take it a step further, you saying that the regular season isn’t as good an indicator as a tournament is ridiculous. Look at basketball for example...the regular season is a way, way bigger sample size regardless of which teams you play, and often times we play teams more than once. In a tournament you play 2-3 teams and any team can get a hot streak even if they suck. You’re really going to sit there and say that if last year Minnesota or Iowa got hot somehow and went on a run in the tournament that they’d deserve the conference title over Purdue, or in ‘16 when Michigan won it as an 8 seed?? Come on man, you’re sounding like a Nebraska fan.

 

[ChosenChildren]

The whole point is that the B1G doesn’t consider it a championship (it’s semantics...one call about any win a “championship”), and that’s what counts. My original post was made in reply to someone asking if we had any championships in that particular time frame and the answer is a definitive no. Look through the Big Ten record book and you will not see Iowa listed anywhere. You knew that, and because you want Iowa to look more impressive you created your own definition of what a conference title is. It’s no different than the folks who say the Hawks were conference champs in ‘15 when they know better. They leave out parts to suit them.

To take it a step further, you saying that the regular season isn’t as good an indicator as a tournament is ridiculous. Look at basketball for example...the regular season is a way, way bigger sample size regardless of which teams you play, and often times we play teams more than once. In a tournament you play 2-3 teams and any team can get a hot streak even if they suck. You’re really going to sit there and say that if last year Minnesota or Iowa got hot somehow and went on a run in the tournament that they’d deserve the conference title over Purdue, or in ‘16 when Michigan won it as an 8 seed?? Come on man, you’re sounding like a Nebraska fan.

We are just not going to agree on this one. I certainly respect your opinion. I simply disagree with it. If the regular season means so much, why does the Big Ten award the automatic NCAA Big Dance basketball berth to the tournament champion? I guarantee you that every Big Ten basketball or baseball coach gets some type of bonus if his team wins the Big Ten Tournament title.

I don't know what Big Ten record book you are looking at. BigTen.org recognizes tournament championships.

It truly is semantics. If Iowa never won another regular season championship in basketball but won a bunch of tournament titles, I'd be one happy dude.

 

[Seth53]

Seeing what has gone on at PSU, Louisville, MSU and now OSU recently, yeah, Barta's damn glad KF is leading our flagship program.

 

[tksirius]

Seeing what has gone on at PSU, Louisville, MSU and now OSU recently, yeah, Barta's damn glad KF is leading our flagship program.

Does it really matter? A court of law found that Barta discriminated against someone's gender and sexual orientation costing the U over $6.5 million and he still has his job.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Does it really matter? A court of law found that Barta discriminated against someone's gender and sexual orientation costing the U over $6.5 million and he still has his job.

and Urban Meyer is about to get canned

 

[Seth53]

Does it really matter? A court of law found that Barta discriminated against someone's gender and sexual orientation costing the U over $6.5 million and he still has his job.

Apparently not as the Court of Public Opinion is far more interested in a FB coach than an empty suit having dealings with a lesbian.