HOW CAN YOU HAVE A REPUTATION WHEN NO ONE KNOWS WHO YOU 'REALLY' ARE, LOL.......YOU ARE AMAZING!!!
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Or maybe you are wrong.
hawkeyegamefilm
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Not sure what gamefilm you were watching but this is what I watched:
What I saw from Bower: A disciplined guy who gives 100% effort every single play. He typically found his guy in coverage and wasn't blowing assignments. He also adds something as a pass rusher at times. I also saw a guy who showed marginal instincts vs the run and lacks the reactionary athleticism to cover for it. The result of that was him being late to react and fit up correctly to stop ball carriers for short/no-gain. Bower also seems lacks the strength/athleticism to shed OL/TE at the point of attack(TE82 & a couple interior OL ate him up multiple times in this game). The result was he rarely squared up a ball carrier and the back was consistently able to finish the play going forward and get a couple of extra yards.
I can go through and mark some example plays for you if you'd like but the film speaks for itself. Miami ran a lot of trips sets to get Hockaday out of the box and make it 5OL vs 4DL + Bower vs RB; and it worked to help Miami consistently move the chains. It wasn't an awful day for Bower, he plays tough and understands the scheme. However, Bower did not have good day and against better competition he's likely really start to struggle. It probably did not help Bower out that Jewell was out; Hockaday had a tough day learning on the job. Hockaday definitely wasn't ready to step in physically or mentally, but that experience could be invaluable for him. Hockaday flashed a couple of good plays in there(forced fumble on screen, TFL vs a run play in 4th Q) but wasn't consistent. I do believe this was Bowers first start as a box LB too(started at LEO in '14), and it's possible he gets better. For now I think Bower will continue to start at WLB and maybe he'll have a better game vs ISU but Bower is a guy I'd go at if I'm an opposing OC.
Also for the record Iowa's safeties both had average/bad days vs run and it was another factor in the 160 yards Miami picked up on the ground.
I saw a guy who looked lost, a hole would open up, no blocker in front of him, Bower would stand there 3-4 yards back until the RB hit him. I saw a guy who went for the fake multiple times and was always a step behind, not a playmaker, a very good 2A high school football player not ready for primetime. I wish that I were wrong. I plan on watching him tomorrow, but he was one of the key elements in what was wrong with the 2014 season, and now he is back.
That is the game I watched play by play, thank you. What a lovely synopsis that says absolutely nothing. What, are a politician analyst? Yes, please 'mark' the plays for me, because I just watched the 1st half again and 82 never blocked him once, and the only time he didn't square up was the short TD run. Start with the 1st half for me. (I finally saw 82 block him with 6:25 to go in the 3rd qtr. as he covering him in man!) Can't wait!
hawkeyegamefilm
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1st and 10: Example of trips pulling 48 out of the box, 41 struggles to find the ball off the mesh, doesn't react well to QB on keep, result is a 9 yard gain.
3rd and 1: Example of slow read and RB initiating contact, 3rd and 1 andback gets 4, two more after initial contact by 41.
2nd and 2: Another example of letting RB initiate contact; Bower's guy actually fell down on the play and RB pushes through Bower for another 2-3 yards after first contact.
1st and Goal from 3: Takes himself out of position despite having help outside and gets run through by the RB for the TD.
1st and 10: One of his best plays of the day, coming on a blitz, recognizes the screen and bats it down. Smart play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=74m48s
1st and 10: Slow to react to the run and OC reaches him, Bower and the pile get pushed for an 8 yard gain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=86m20s
1st and 10: Another trips look to pull 48 out; 41 a little slow to react and RB darts by'm, 41 gets a hand on'm but 19 makes the tackle on the play for a gain of 6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=87m0s
2 and 4: 41 chops feet in place and gets blocked, boxed out of the play and RB picks up the 4-5 yards. 19 again makes the tackle here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=90m8s
2nd and 4: 41 is better on K&D here but gets held up by an O-lineman again, does shed here but still 5-6 yards and another first down. Made first contact w/RB at 4 yards down-field
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=92m58s
3rd and 13: Gets eaten up by TE82 on the run play; very slow to react and never sheds, play was run right through his run responsibility. Nice open field tackle by 37 saves the first down, gain of 12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=105m50s
2nd and 13: Another trips look, and for some reason 41 crashes the strongside A gap and is out of the play; back runs through a giant hole in weak A gap for 10 easy yards; could have been a missed call up-front by a DT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmlf1PwgSmg&t=110m15s
1st and 10: Another trips look, one of Bower's better reads, makes contact w/RB 1 yard across LOS, problem is RB spins off and picks up 4 yards.
You see the patterns emerging here? It wasn't a good day for Bower.
And the play with about 30 seconds left in the 3rd where you say he got 'ate up' by the center, was A gap blitz by Bowers on a passing down and you can see that there was a blown line stunt. Bowers shrugs his arms and says something to Bazata at the end of the play. Somebody didn't hear the call, or they blew the call but with him blitzing the A gap, how was the big gain his fault???
Do you understand reads and gap responsibilities? On your second and 2 play, he checks his weak A gap and then gets over the top to make a big tackle, as DL didn't get off their blocks and Hockaday didn't fill his gap and and their was no safety coming up.
On the TD....Out of position, lol. You can see he is man on the TE and up on the LOS on him. The safety's man goes in motion which now changes the coverage (you can see them trying to communicate it). Instead of the Safety chasing they bumped down a man, as you can see Neimann step out and chase the motion redeiver. When the TE pulls he (Bowers) slides down a gap as the FS is now the edge (force) player, but instead up coming up, Snyder backs up. Yes, he tried to scrape back and didn't square up well, but Snyder should have been there...not 'helping him' to the outside, lol. And look at Hockaday lost and dancing in the endzone. You're really starting to bore me. You made a comment during the game that Bowers got 'ate up' by the center (because you didn't catch that it was a blitz, crash, whatever) so he gave up a big run and he was having a horrible day. You were wrong and now you're nit picking trying to justify your statement. Yes, Bowers could 'step up' better on a few plays, but if he plays this solid everygame, we are in good shape. And like you said, it was his first game at Will (in the box) so his reads and reactions will improve, don't you think?
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Gets ate up by 82 on a run play LOL. Now your really showing your stuff. He's in man coverage on the TE82 (you can see him 'staring' at him) thus has 'no' run responsiblility. He jams him, and by the time he realizes it's a run (split second) the TE grabs him (and notice the TE is grabbing outside the frame). The DE apparently goofed and thought he had an 'edge' player to his side.....
hawkeyegamefilm
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Did you every play football? No one has 'no run responsibility'. 3rd and 13? 3rd and 23? Man, zone. It does't matter, your job is read pass/run, then play your responsibility. If you're slow to key and diagnose and don't then shed your block, bad things are gonna happen. Both happened too often for Bower in this game.
There's not much to debate here as far as I'm concerned. Guy was in the hole where the play was intended to be run and after reacting to motion, and trying to line up the runner, he got run through by the back. He made a mistake and it allowed them a TD. Not sure why you're fighting this so hard. Dude did not play some great game, he played hard but made mistakes(a lot of them look like physical limitations to me). Time to move on and hope he improves W2.
deanvogs
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Hold on. So now you are criticizing him for the same things you are doing? I mean you are anonymous internet poster saying you know tons of X's and O's. Why don't you do a little name drop here, let us know who you are, and then we can judge if your "reputation" deserve any kind of respect here.
deanvogs
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I'm not sure why Icke is trying to say that he has "run" or "pass" responsibilities either? I'm also not sure why he is dead set on defending Bower. The play where he get blocked 15 yards downfield by the TE is a perfect example of this. Bowers couldn't make the run/pass read quick enough, and got his ass blocked 15 yards downfield. That is simply a bad play for him. Also the others you linked were also great examples, thanks for doing that!
Also don't let Icke give us other fans a bad name. Keep the breakdowns coming, this is great, great stuff!!
I didn't say I had a 'reputation'. Listen, this guy knows the 'talk' really well, but he 'fishing' a little bit on some things.
As HawkeyeGameFilm's bio states, he is a former Hawkeye player and he has done personnel evaluation for NFL teams. That is verified by the owner of this site as he was brought aboard as a regular contributor several year's ago, and has produced content on a free-lance basis since then. His contributions to this site have always been insightful and objective. I have personally enjoyed his contributions as much as any other feature of this site, and many other posters feel the same. His reputation here is intact.
Perhaps you have the background to go toe-to-toe with him in this discussion; I doubt it because there are very few out there who can match his particular expertise, but I don't know you so it is possible. Either way, I think everyone on this board would appreciate a more respectful tone if you disagree with his analysis.
Perhaps you have the background to go toe-to-toe with him in this discussion; I doubt it because there are very few out there who can match his particular expertise, but I don't know you so it is possible. Either way, I think everyone on this board would appreciate a more respectful tone if you disagree with his analysis.
Because what you are not telling people, is that he was in man on the TD. His man (TE) pulled and if the TE ran all the way across the formation and out the back side, Bowers would have had to chase. So he did NOT 'take himself out of the play'. So your statement is 'incorrect'. Snyder should have set up with the same leverage that King did on the other side and engaged the RB 2-3 yds in the back field before he got a head of steam. Bowers made a good read to let him (TE) go and scrape back and almost make the play, and very few LB's are going to stalemate a back with that much momentum. "Trying to line up the runner"...lol, your a hoot. You blame Bowers on the play, when you should be on Snyder.
Your job in man coverage is not to 'read' pass/run. Lol...No, in man, you;re locked in on your man. Have you ever coached defense before? What was Mabins 'run read' on that same play, lol. For knowing the ''talk', you don't seem to know much about scheme or execution, and you impress the average fan on here, but you're FOS....Oh, and by the way, on the TE play that he was 'supposed' to read 'run' on, lol, did you notice it was a 'run/pass' read by the QB? The QB isn't reading the DE on his option, he's reading the LB (Bowers). If the LB is in man, he gives to the back. If the LB is in zone (thus reading the down block of the OT and coming up) the QB 'pulls' and hits the TE in the seam for a big gain. Good discipline by Bowers there, total gaffe or miscommunication by the DL. If you're going to 'tell' these people things, try to know what you're talking about, and not these 'generic' fancy terms that you're trying to impress them with....Go Hawks
