Frost caught cheating

ohhawk said:
Wonder how many of the original decision makers would change their vote if Nebraska were looking at entry to the BIG today?

Maybe the first realignment move by the BIG should be addition by subtraction?
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I,ll trade you Neb and a player to be named later for Okla. St.
 
Northside Hawk said:
There is a rival high school in our conference (Hint: It's Alex Erickson's alma mater) full of strong farm boy types. Many of you who grew up in small town Iowa probably had a school like this in your conference, or perhaps you were that school.

Anyway there are at least two known farms in that school district who have converted barns and/or sheds into full blown weight rooms. With probable donation help from Erickson. And it is also widely suspected that during the pandemic, when school facilities were capped or off limits, that athletes were conducting full blown workouts on the farm, and that the coaches were illegally present. And there's probably not a thing anyone can do about it.
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Thanks for making me Google Alex Erickson!!
 
Egads, folks, Nebraska does NOT have a problem recruiting players to Lincoln. Have you seen the previous 3 years recruiting rankings of the classes Frost has recruited? To a losing program? Yes, their current '22 class is by far their worst, thus far, but unlike Iowa they typically start slow and finish strong. Recruiting talented players has not been their problem in recent years -- it's their last 2 coaches. Riley was a horrible fit for the BTen, and Frost was too young and overconfident and having not played in the BTen had no idea what he was dealing with, and refused to adjust until this year. Oddly enough, in the midst of all these program problems, this year will probably produce their best W-L record since Frost arrived. Which, granted, ain't sayin' much.
 
Grady said:
Egads, folks, Nebraska does NOT have a problem recruiting players to Lincoln. Have you seen the previous 3 years recruiting rankings of the classes Frost has recruited? To a losing program? Yes, their current '22 class is by far their worst, thus far, but unlike Iowa they typically start slow and finish strong. Recruiting talented players has not been their problem in recent years -- it's their last 2 coaches. Riley was a horrible fit for the BTen, and Frost was too young and overconfident and having not played in the BTen had no idea what he was dealing with, and refused to adjust until this year. Oddly enough, in the midst of all these program problems, this year will probably produce their best W-L record since Frost arrived. Which, granted, ain't sayin' much.
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False. Recruiting rankings don't mean shit. Just like hiring a coach is a blind guess 99% of the time, so are recruiting rankings. Nebraska recruits super low character guys. And some of them flat out criminals. Guys who mutiny the team and a whole lot of guys who just transfer out when they don't get their way. If they had awesome recruiting classes it would offset bad coaching to some degree and you'd see better results.

24/7 and Rivals "rankers" are made up of 3rd tier reporters and bloggers who aren't coaches and who don't know the kids on a personal level to see what they're like character-wise. All they do for 95% of those kids is sit at their kitchen table watching Hudl highlights on their laptops and slap a number on 'em. Sure. the top 15-20 guys are slam dunks more often or not, but if you really believe that someone can objectively say that Nebraska's recruits are exactly 28 spots (or whatever) better than Iowa's, or that their 2026 RB is the 224th best player in the nation (not 223rd and not 225th), you're fuckin nuts.

Here's the bio for Allen Trieu, who is one of their "Big Kahuna" national recuiting analysts. He does evaluations of a whole bunch of the top recruits on 24/7's site and does rankings:

This is from his personal website. And I quote:

Allen Trieu is a stand-up comedian from Grand Rapids, Michigan. He is also a writer for 247Sports.com, The Detroit News, and an analyst on The Big Ten Network's National Signing Day Specials.

Allen first began comedy by winning the Last Laker Standing competition at Grand Valley State University. He has performed at the San Francisco Comedy Competition, Gilda's Laughfest, and at clubs around the country. He has opened for Maria Bamford, Kathleen Madigan, Hannibal Buress, Chris D'Elia, Pete Holmes, Tim Meadows, Christopher Titus, Steve Byrne, Jamie Lee and more.

Clubs performed in include: Dr. Grins (Grand Rapids, MI), The Laugh Factory (New York, NY), Flappers (Burbank, CA), Zanies (Rosemont and Chicago, IL), The Improv (Chicago, IL, Columbus, OH and Irvine, CA), The Ivar Theater (Hollywood, CA), and more.

He is the three-time winner of the Grand Rapids Roast Battle and won the Laughfest edition in 2019 which was judged by industry professionals.

He has appeared on The Bob and Tom Show as well as Comedy Stir Fry for VAMN-TV.
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Or how about Brian Dohn...

From his Linkedin:

As seen in North American Fisherman, Slate, and Cooking Club Magazine
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I could go on, but if you're trusting these rubes for telling you who the best high school football players are, you're goin' down the wrong road.
 
Luftgekuehlt67 said:
I personally don't want to see Frost go anywhere. Keep him right where he is, maximize the damage to their program, and thus maximize your's truly's entertainment value.
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Agreed. You don't want a situation similar to ISU, where they keep going through dudes until they stumble on to the right guy. My head might explode if Nebraska and ISU are relevant at the same time. So absolutely, keep rolling Frost out there as long as possible.
 
Fryowa said:
False. Recruiting rankings don't mean shit. Just like hiring a coach is a blind guess 99% of the time, so are recruiting rankings. Nebraska recruits super low character guys. And some of them flat out criminals. Guys who mutiny the team and a whole lot of guys who just transfer out when they don't get their way. If they had awesome recruiting classes it would offset bad coaching to some degree and you'd see better results.

24/7 and Rivals "rankers" are made up of 3rd tier reporters and bloggers who aren't coaches and who don't know the kids on a personal level to see what they're like character-wise. All they do for 95% of those kids is sit at their kitchen table watching Hudl highlights on their laptops and slap a number on 'em. Sure. the top 15-20 guys are slam dunks more often or not, but if you really believe that someone can objectively say that Nebraska's recruits are exactly 28 spots (or whatever) better than Iowa's, or that their 2026 RB is the 224th best player in the nation (not 223rd and not 225th), you're fuckin nuts.

Here's the bio for Allen Trieu, who is one of their "Big Kahuna" national recuiting analysts. He does evaluations of a whole bunch of the top recruits on 24/7's site and does rankings:

This is from his personal website. And I quote:



Or how about Brian Dohn...

From his Linkedin:



I could go on, but if you're trusting these rubes for telling you who the best high school football players are, you're goin' down the wrong road.
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Excellent point. I may add, these ranking guru's are basing their rankings merely on what they seeing when reviewing the athlete playing the sport. They do not put into perspective character, grades or lack of which could be a real issue and other crap like mental disease or other outside factors.

Like you point out with Nebraska and some other schools, they recruit players that either come in with an enlarged ego because of said rankings or a lot of baggage that can really disrupt a team situation. Toxic.

Iowa is very careful on the players they select. They look for athletes with character, who get decent grades or who they think will at least work to achieve their degree goals, and players just with less baggage in general.

Nebraska gambles on home run hitters for the quick results. The lazy way. Iowa looks for character guys they can develop and who they think will buy into the program. Two drastically different recruiting styles.
 
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trj said:
Agreed. You don't want a situation similar to ISU, where they keep going through dudes until they stumble on to the right guy. My head might explode if Nebraska and ISU are relevant at the same time. So absolutely, keep rolling Frost out there as long as possible.
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That's going to happen, though, with odds. Not the best strategy for a college program to go about it, but, if going thru enough coaches, eventually you're going to hit pay dirt.

It's similar to gambling, you are going to lose 3/4 of the time, but hit a home run every once-in-a-while. It's a horrible strategy in the long run.

Difference between Nebby and ISU is that ISU kind of has to do that strategy of going thru coaches with fingers crossed. Nebby had a history and foundation at one time but now just keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Grady said:
Riley was a horrible fit for the BTen, and Frost was too young and overconfident and having not played in the BTen had no idea what he was dealing with, and refused to adjust until this year.
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The weather in the Big Ten from October 15 through the end of November necessarily dictates a specific style of gameplay unless you are dealing with OSU level talent or you are content with dropping a few games in a "good" year like Northwestern is. If you try to run what is successful in the AAC, old Big East or Pac 10 in the Big Ten and you build a team around it, you will likely fail. Big Ten coaches need to have experience in a Big Ten program, the SEC or the MAC. It has been demonstrated numerous times. If I was AD at say Purdue or Illinois and assuming away any character or background issues, I would absolutely hire Brian Ferentz or Brett Bielema or Jim Leonhard long before I would hire someone like Frost or Briles' kid who was at one point a high flying OC in the Big 12. If you try to implement a pass happy game plan and don't understand the nuances of controlling the LOS in the Big Ten, your last 5 or 6 games are almost guaranteed not to go well unless you get a miracle assist with the weather and draw only the most hapless level of competition.
 
Fryowa said:
False. Recruiting rankings don't mean shit. Just like hiring a coach is a blind guess 99% of the time, so are recruiting rankings. Nebraska recruits super low character guys. And some of them flat out criminals. Guys who mutiny the team and a whole lot of guys who just transfer out when they don't get their way. If they had awesome recruiting classes it would offset bad coaching to some degree and you'd see better results.

24/7 and Rivals "rankers" are made up of 3rd tier reporters and bloggers who aren't coaches and who don't know the kids on a personal level to see what they're like character-wise. All they do for 95% of those kids is sit at their kitchen table watching Hudl highlights on their laptops and slap a number on 'em. Sure. the top 15-20 guys are slam dunks more often or not, but if you really believe that someone can objectively say that Nebraska's recruits are exactly 28 spots (or whatever) better than Iowa's, or that their 2026 RB is the 224th best player in the nation (not 223rd and not 225th), you're fuckin nuts.

Here's the bio for Allen Trieu, who is one of their "Big Kahuna" national recuiting analysts. He does evaluations of a whole bunch of the top recruits on 24/7's site and does rankings:

This is from his personal website. And I quote:



Or how about Brian Dohn...

From his Linkedin:



I could go on, but if you're trusting these rubes for telling you who the best high school football players are, you're goin' down the wrong road.
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I believe one of the founders of the industry of selling rankings to laypeople was a man nicknamed "The Postman from Palatine" (referring to his home in Palatine, IL). This geographically skewed his rankings and contributed to the madness of our "stellar" 2005 class where most of the studs were unheralded guys who weren't from Illinois, with the exceptions of Tony Moeaki and the injury riddled Dace Richardson.
 
Fryowa said:
False. Since they fired Pelini they have not had a decent coach. They had what they thought were decent coaches. They took gambles on them. You can't use Solich and Pelini as examples of good coaches taking that Job because Nebraska wasn't a dog shit program just yet.

Look at Riley's record before Nebraska and what he's done since he got canned. Tell me anything about that guy that says, "decent coach."

Scott Frost had a short period of success at a non P5 school and it's flamingly obvious now that he's in WAY over his head in terms of coaching ability.
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I beg to differ to an extent on Solich and Pelini. Solich has done a very good job at Ohio forming really good teams, making 11 bowl games, and getting 5 division championships in 15-16 years. Solich has about a 60% winning rate and is 2nd or 3rd in all time wins. And he did very well at Nebby as head coach.

And Pelini did better than well at Nebby but he was just such a douche bag, and still is.

And if you were to really read my post carefully I said Nebby after osborne had 2 decent coaches (which Solich and Pelini are or were so I can say that is a true statement) and then a bunch of lower level college coaches which is Callahan, Riley, and whoever else.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Excellent point. I may add, these ranking guru's are basing their rankings merely on what they seeing when reviewing the athlete playing the sport. They do not put into perspective character, grades or lack of which could be a real issue and other crap like mental disease or other outside factors.

Like you point out with Nebraska and some other schools, they recruit players that either come in with an enlarged ego because of said rankings or a lot of baggage that can really disrupt a team situation. Toxic.

Iowa is very careful on the players they select. They look for athletes with character, who get decent grades or who they think will at least work to achieve their degree goals, and players just with less baggage in general.

Nebraska gambles on home run hitters for the quick results. The lazy way. Iowa looks for character guys they can develop and who they think will buy into the program. Two drastically different recruiting styles.
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Yup. Doesn't Nebraska throw out a boat load of offers too. Like 400 plus when you can only bring in 22ish? It's an insane way to go go about it. They make it easy to recruit against. We haven't lost many recruiting battles with them and the few we have obviously haven't mattered....
 
Fryowa said:
If you really think about it though, I don't see Nebraska firing Frost unless Alberts is ready to just accept being another Illinois/Purdue/Maryland.

No one with the capability of turning that manure pile around (I question whether it's possible at all) is going to even take Trev's phone call.
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I would if I was Luke Fickell. I would if I was Dana Holgersen. And I would if I was Chris Petersen and I wanted to coach at a big time program again (I don't think he does). I also would if I were Mike Stoops.
 
Grady said:
Egads, folks, Nebraska does NOT have a problem recruiting players to Lincoln. Have you seen the previous 3 years recruiting rankings of the classes Frost has recruited? To a losing program? Yes, their current '22 class is by far their worst, thus far, but unlike Iowa they typically start slow and finish strong. Recruiting talented players has not been their problem in recent years -- it's their last 2 coaches. Riley was a horrible fit for the BTen, and Frost was too young and overconfident and having not played in the BTen had no idea what he was dealing with, and refused to adjust until this year. Oddly enough, in the midst of all these program problems, this year will probably produce their best W-L record since Frost arrived. Which, granted, ain't sayin' much.
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Nebraska will have no problem finding a new coach. It is all about the money and they have lots of it in Sand Land. I think Frost is gone after this year. My inside source in Omaha says it is deeper than wins and losses….let’s just say the influential donors are really sick of Frost’s behaviors away from football.
 
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