Frost caught cheating

[okeefe4prez]

Name another Power 4 program outside of the PAC 12 that has a clearer path to a conference championship game.

Georgia has a really clear path. The SEC East is terrible. Florida is a dormant giant, but they along with Texas, Michigan and Tennessee have found that past results do not guarantee future performance and that turning it around in the modern era that is 100% reliant on "what have you done for me lately" and coaches saying "if you come to [Alabama/Clemson/Oklahoma/Ohio State] I can pretty much guarantee you that you are going to be traveling to the playoffs" carries a lot of sway as well.

The ACC Coastal division is also probably worse than the Big Ten West.

Nebraska is a good job, but dealing with being "the guy" in that microcosm really takes a certain type of person (and I think Iowa is similar but probably about 30% of the pressure cooker that exists in Lincoln). The non-coaching side of that job is really freaking taxing. It's not like being the head man at Oregon State or Wake or Northwestern. Pat Fitzgerald can stroll around Evanston in his NU lid on a Thursday afternoon and 90% of the people have no clue who he is, half of the 10% who do know he is will respect his privacy and the other half of the 10% who know who he is are only going to drop words of encouragement on him no matter if the ball club is 3-9 or 9-3 because he's a respectable guy and they are respectable fans. That does not exist in college football bubbles in places like Lincoln. In Lincoln, the coach can't go to the grocery store without starting a mob scene. If he has a kid in second grade and punts on 4th and 1 in a game they lose by 3 the kid is gonna get ridiculed at school.

 

[Fryowa]

I have heard this argument before and don't buy it at all. Nebraska is still a name. Its tarnished, but any up and coming coach will remember what they used to be....

I think there would be plenty of interest in being the Head Bugeater. But, let's just hope that Trev keeps the trend going and once again Nebbie picks a shitty coach.

See but you can't really use that argument because when you use the phrase, "up and coming" it implies taking a gamble on a coach that you think is going to do a good job, not someone who has shown they can do it at a major P4 school. I'm mean for F's sake, man...Scott Frost was the exact, perfect example of an "up and coming" coach when he got hired for the Nebraska job. That kind of proves my point. History has shown that for every Dabo Swinney there are a thousand Scott Frosts. No AD of any school in the country has the ability to pick the new guy out of the field and say for sure that he's "the guy." It's all blind luck. Remember Chizik coming to ISU? He had WAAAAAAAY more fanfare than Campbell did....

No established coach with a history of winning at the P5 level is gonna touch that job with a 10' pole because 1) it's a burnt turd of a program, and 2) if that coach happens to be on the market he's going to be in demand to a program with realistic expectations and at least a fighting chance of success.

A really nice weight room and rich donors don't mean shit when you're trying to get kids to come live in a little town that might as well be on Mars, only colder and with more snow. A program with no history whatsoever (other than losing) during the current recruiting class' lifetimes. A program where if you don't win in an unwinnable situation...which nebraska is...you're going to get crucified by literally everyone in that shithole state.

It's not a coincidence that Bo Pelini got hot mic'd after a game talking about what pieces of shit their fans are. You know when you can believe people are telling the truth? When they're in the company of friends and don't know people are recording. It's been too long. Coaches saw what Pelini went through when he got murdered for never winning less than 9 games. They saw what Riley went through when he caused the car crash. And they saw what's happening to Frost now that he's shown he can't rescue the baby from the burning car. There was a time not too long ago that Nebraska had 3 FOOTBALL COACHES AND 2 ATHLETIC DIRECTORS ON THE MONTHLY PAYROLL AT ONE TIME. They're on their 3rd AD in 4 years.

Scott Frost looks like he wants to run out in front of a bus during his pressers because he wants to run out in front of a bus, my friend. He can try to fart rainbows and shit skittles all he wants when he talks about how he's soooo close...but let's be honest with ourselves here, amigo. You and I both know what he's thinking.

Are there people who would want the job for a $75 million contract? Hell yes. But it's going to be some unproven, so-called "next big thing" like Frost and Riley, not someone who has a history of fixing shit..because a smart guy knows this thing isn't fixable anymore.

 

[ohhawk]

Wonder how many of the original decision makers would change their vote if Nebraska were looking at entry to the BIG today?

Maybe the first realignment move by the BIG should be addition by subtraction?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Fry, not sure if I agree on the slap. In addition to having a consultant running drills as a coach, which is a black and white violation of very commonly understood rules, you also have Frost setting up an off campus training/lifting center in direct violation of NCAA Covid rules. That is a player safety/health issue.

Frost is claiming he had permission to do all this. Anyone think that the AD being shown the door two months ago has anything to do with this? Do I hear the baaahhh of a scapegoat bleating from a 70 year old Moos coming?

I see a short suspension for Frost, small schollie hit, and probation. But, if the AD truly knew about this and blessed these clear cheats, you have an institutional control issue.

I think this is just getting started. At least I hope it is!

If they didn't do anything to Kansas and other schools for those basketball allegations which were blatant, they aren't going to do anything to Nebby who can't win 4 football games a year and who is currently so irrelevant in college football.

If they do, then that leads to more questioning of the NCAA and it's schizophrenic nature and decision making.

 

[uihawk82]

If you really think about it though, I don't see Nebraska firing Frost unless Alberts is ready to just accept being another Illinois/Purdue/Maryland.

No one with the capability of turning that manure pile around (I question whether it's possible at all) is going to even take Trev's phone call.

The legendary coach that was hardest to follow was John Wooden and then maybe Dan Gable.

Nebbie has had a parade of decent to now lame coaches who have followed Osborne so I disagree with your thought that a really decent coach won't take Trev's call especially if the money is a good bump. Frost and the next coach are expected to get back to 12-0 and a Natty Champ run but face it the expectations now are not that high as they would love 8-4.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

The NCAA just let Baylor off scot free for not reporting sexual assaults and you think they're gonna go after a tire fire program like Nebraska?

There was interesting discussion the other day on sports talk radio about this and the Penn St. situation. It was explained the reason the Penn St. decision was pretty much overturned and Penn St. was let off was because the NCAA guidelines didn't match the criminal allegations/findings. So, they said it was a criminal case and the NCAA couldn't punish the schools because of having no NCAA classification or rules to back them. So, the NCAA rules didn't mesh with criminal acts to punish, even though the allegations were horrific.

I'm like, at least don't you have "lack of institutional control" to fall back on?

 

[CP87]

The NCAA just let Baylor off scot free for not reporting sexual assaults and you think they're gonna go after a tire fire program like Nebraska?

Based upon the argument that the entire campus was derelict in reporting sexual assaults, so the fact that football players who committed sexual assault did not get reported was NOT an impermissible benefit. But the investigation did conclude that Briles was a complete moral failure as a human being (I am paraphrasing), it just so happens that is not an NCAA violation.

What Frost did clearly is an NCAA violation in a very black-and-white sense. They love coming down on this petty shit that is easy to prove while claiming "out of our jurisdiction" on things like sanctioning sexual assault and child abuse.

 

[LoyalSon]

Well this might explain the sudden mysterious retirement of their former AD over the summer. I'm curious where the idea of self-reporting comes from - I haven't read that anywhere else. I agree that the NCAA is more likely to punish violations of its rules than more serious criminal activities.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Welcome Trev Alberts your first act as AD is to figure out to do with your cheating crappy friend of an HC. Good luck with figuring out the 'right' way to handle that. I wonder how the Nebraska fans think it should be? Are they torn on what they think of Frost at this point? No way can the majority be worshiping the ground he walks on still are they?

 

[Fryowa]

I wonder how the Nebraska fans think it should be? Are they torn on what they think of Frost at this point? No way can the majority be worshiping the ground he walks on still are they?

If you go on Huskerboard or twitter, every nebraska fan I've seen thinks it's not a big deal and nothing will come of it.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I have heard this argument before and don't buy it at all. Nebraska is still a name. Its tarnished, but any up and coming coach will remember what they used to be. They have first class facilities and unlimited resources for Trev to dangle. As much as I hate the Sand People, 90,000 show up for every game in Lincoln, 80,000 show up for the Spring Game, and they travel better than just about any program out there. The fans and boosters are no joke. Finally, let's not forget that Nebraska plays in the Big Ten West. The only real programs in front of you are a consistently good, but not great, Iowa program, and a slightly better version of Iowa called Wisconsin. I don't see that NW or Minny are scaring anyone off. Name another Power 4 program outside of the PAC 12 that has a clearer path to a conference championship game.

I think there would be plenty of interest in being the Head Bugeater. But, let's just hope that Trev keeps the trend going and once again Nebbie picks a shitty coach.

Are they though? Maybe you're right. I just don't think it's as cut and dry. We are in a time now where ISUs HC wouldn't even take the phone call if Nebraskas job was open and they tried to hit him up I bet. Regardless of his contract status. Just think about that for a second. It's unreal in my lifetime to think that's a possibility.

I mean Neb has a history. But I wouldn't say they STILL have a name. I think it's a they used to have one at this point. They are barely a generation away from being where folks weren't hardly old enough to remember their glory days. That's what they are in danger of. If this persists for another couple recruiting cycles. 10 more yrs or so....

 

[Hawkfnntn]

If you go on Huskerboard or twitter, every nebraska fan I've seen thinks it's not a big deal and nothing will come of it.

That blows my mind. I could see that being a vocal minority of sorts but for crying out loud what in tarnation has he done since he's been there to deserve that kind of rope? Leave it to me to underestimate the delusional fan base that is Nebraska I suppose. Geesh

 

[Fryowa]

Nebbie has had a parade of decent to now lame coaches who have followed Osborne so I disagree with your thought that a really decent coach won't take Trev's call especially if the money is a good bump.

False. Since they fired Pelini they have not had a decent coach. They had what they thought were decent coaches. They took gambles on them. You can't use Solich and Pelini as examples of good coaches taking that Job because Nebraska wasn't a dog shit program just yet.

Look at Riley's record before Nebraska and what he's done since he got canned. Tell me anything about that guy that says, "decent coach."

Scott Frost had a short period of success at a non P5 school and it's flamingly obvious now that he's in WAY over his head in terms of coaching ability.

 

[Fryowa]

Wonder how many of the original decision makers would change their vote if Nebraska were looking at entry to the BIG today?

Maybe the first realignment move by the BIG should be addition by subtraction?

It was a good move at the time and it would still be a good move today.

Those Uncle Ricos keep the TV and other revenue flowing in like water even though it's a Barnum and Bailey circus over there. If you tried to serve a nebraska fan a shit sandwich they'd take it, happily eat it, tell everyone about how the sandwiches used to be better 20 years ago, and ask for another. They're fucking idiots.

Fools and their money are easily parted, we should be happy they're so stupid.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

How ye like me new tune. If Big Red is not a cheatin it gets a beaten.

 

[okeefe4prez]

False. Since they fired Pelini they have not had a decent coach. They had what they thought were decent coaches. They took gambles on them. You can't use Solich and Pelini as examples of good coaches taking that Job because Nebraska wasn't a dog shit program just yet.

Look at Riley's record before Nebraska and what he's done since he got canned. Tell me anything about that guy that says, "decent coach."

Scott Frost had a short period of success at a non P5 school and it's flamingly obvious now that he's in WAY over his head in terms of coaching ability.

I am in your camp. The kids being recruited today weren't even alive the last time Nebraska was good. What is amazing is the extent to which we have seen almost death spiral like activities out of "blue blood" programs. USC, Michigan, Miami, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State and Texas. These programs dominated, absolutely dominated the 90's and early part of the 2000's and they all suck ass now.

The problem is if you blow the hire on ONE coach, you set your program back years. Those programs routinely embarrassed the ever living shit out of Iowa. I'm not definitively saying Iowa is better than all of them and yeah, I remember the HawkSlayer Bowl, but Iowa has achieved substantial parity with those teams. Those programs have all turned into revolving door coaching stops that never have time to forge an identity and every "splash hire" they make ends up landing like a turd in a punch bowl.

Here's the issue. To be competitive at the highest levels today, you better have (a) a QB that is either a first round talent or at least a guy who is going to get a sniff in the league because if you ain't got that, you are boned, (b) at least two ridiculous WRs, (c) two or maybe three guys in that front (six) seven on defense who are going to be taken in the first two rounds of the draft, (d) two DBs who are going to be picked in the first four rounds of the draft to at least make a half assed attempt at covering the freak WRs on the other team, and (e) a coach who can call games AND keep the team and egos together. And those aforementioned stars only give a shit about playing somewhere they can win a title, they're competitive, they don't want a pat on the back and told "great year" after going 7-5.

These programs are so hyperfocused on being amazing that they skip the preliminary step of getting a foothold established. The first new coach comes in, say RichRod or Solich or Jimbo. Maybe they have some success for a few years, but by year 3 the natives are restless. The seat gets hot. They start choking. Recruiting slips because the kids don't know if the coach will be there. Bam. Your program is ruined. Next, they get another guy, maybe he does okay, but it's still not good enough. Now, they start swinging for the fences on the next guy. Nick or Dabo ain't walking through that door. It's just a total spiral down. Michigan might have an okay record, but holy shit they look like they are playing a different sport when they line up against OSU. 15 years ago that served as a de facto play in game for the natty.

Texas will eventually right the ship, maybe USC will as well if they still care about football, but if you ain't got the right coach, you're toast and I think a bunch of those "always in the preseason top 25 teams" are just completely and utterly boned. You ain't getting the right coach unless you have a pretty ideal set of facts or you find a young guy, take a gamble and he is loyal. Ferentz is a good example of that, and Campbell is as well (but to what extent we don't know).

 

[ssckelley]

Some of you are delusional, I hate Nebby as much as any Hawkeye fan on here but this is not going to amount to anything more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[loesshillshawk]

2 coaches leave suddenly, one was his best friend, AD suddenly quits. I smell smoke and I think a suspension is coming. Guarantee you if he is doing these things that is the tip of the iceberg. Frost is a douchebag, from the day he hid in the closet while Lawrence Phillips kicked the shit out of his girlfriend. Apple didn't fail far from the tree...his dad is a tool. I hope they do something so Bielema can corn hole them without Scotty present.

 

[Northside Hawk]

There is a rival high school in our conference (Hint: It's Alex Erickson's alma mater) full of strong farm boy types. Many of you who grew up in small town Iowa probably had a school like this in your conference, or perhaps you were that school.

Anyway there are at least two known farms in that school district who have converted barns and/or sheds into full blown weight rooms. With probable donation help from Erickson. And it is also widely suspected that during the pandemic, when school facilities were capped or off limits, that athletes were conducting full blown workouts on the farm, and that the coaches were illegally present. And there's probably not a thing anyone can do about it.

 

[ohhawk]

It was a good move at the time and it would still be a good move today.

Those Uncle Ricos keep the TV and other revenue flowing in like water even though it's a Barnum and Bailey circus over there. If you tried to serve a nebraska fan a shit sandwich they'd take it, happily eat it, tell everyone about how the sandwiches used to be better 20 years ago, and ask for another. They're fucking idiots.

Fools and their money are easily parted, we should be happy they're so stupid.

Not as I see it from the BIG perspective. We keep sharing the increased revenue the BIG brings them and they keep providing embarrassment to the conference in some shape or form regularly. Their value add thus far has been pretty much non-existent.