Fran strategy really lacks at end of games
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You really hate prior Hawkeyes don't you. You're already pushing Jok out the door saying he won't be hard to replace
I just really like Fran. He turned 3 average players and one good player into one of the winningest classes in history
InGoodCo
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exactly, with what he's done with Marble, White, Uthoff and Jok -I don't get how people don't see THAT trend? But let's roast him for how his team executes in the final seconds of tight games
You mean the class that was so bad in late games they were going to lose no matter what
InGoodCo
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touche - I think we can all probably agree that class wasn't very clutch in tight games tho right? I think they were great at beating some pretty good teams down like a b*tch tho
JB was outclassed last night but in the end...despite his torching...he still had the balls to take the three and make it...in the clutch...I like this about him.
Pemsl and Cook will get better...a great tandem who seem to like to play with each other.
MG, Uthoff, Marble...just got tired and worn out of the same choked drama...I am more optimistic with this group of youngsters...
Make no mistake...the game was there for the taking...it was pissed down the leg several times...
Pemsl and Cook will get better...a great tandem who seem to like to play with each other.
MG, Uthoff, Marble...just got tired and worn out of the same choked drama...I am more optimistic with this group of youngsters...
Make no mistake...the game was there for the taking...it was pissed down the leg several times...
HuckFinn
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This is a clear over statement of what happened. You attempt to make it sound like Fran was going to physically attack someone. His assistant guided him away from the area, which is not unusual in hot moments, so the possibility of a technical was removed. Fran moved quickly and willingly away from the situation. I dvr'ed the game and went back and watched the incident. There was nothing done by Fran that we have not seen done by many other coaches. And, he made his point. If he had not the lame scorekeeper would have put Pete on the bench. You need to get a new fishing rod.
Fair enough. My description was an exaggeration. I was responding to a comment/discussion about how Coach's in game disposition may be a contributing factor to the team's lack of poise in late game situations. I don't know if it is or not. I would disagree with you in that I believe Coach McCaffrey, in general, is at least a little more wild with his antics than the average coach.
Sure do. Now imagine if that class had an average ability to handle pressure (which I don't think is a coachable trait). We probably have two Big 10 Championships in the last three years.
HuckFinn
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You are certainly right that Fran is emotional in his approach to coaching. The thing I like about him is that he is willing to hold players accountable on no uncertain terms, and then turn around and praise them like they are all Americans. I see him as a tough love kind of guy, who will chew ass, then invite you over for Thanksgiving dinner. I am fine with that approach. I think most kids, at this level, are willing and able to take in your face critics; the fact that Fran always seems to have his players' backs, is an important part of the equation. And, I think the kids get that. I don't think they are afraid of him, at all.
Quite frankly, though KF is not outwardly as readable as Fran, I think they are viewed much the same by their players: My coach is a hard nosed driver, but I know he always has my back and wants what is best for me as a man.
hawkdrummer1
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I like Fran, but let's be honest (and there's plenty of evidence to back it up)...he's not a good end-of-game coach. Period.
Almost all of the evidence is with the same group of players so we don't really know yet. He's .500 with the new group, which consists of mostly freshmen.
I'm all about doing what gives the team the best percentage chance of winning. But with basketball, calling a timeout or not calling a timeout probably changes the outcome an extremely small percentage of the time. In fact, if Fran would have always been a coach that calls timeout, the last group of players would still have a terrible record in close games so people would probably be on here saying he should let the offense keep playing so the defense doesn't have a chance to talk about what they want to do.
I just think in basketball, coaches have a very small role in the outcome of a close game.
WinOneThisCentury
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Fran's thought process at the end of the game. "I'm going to give it to my senior all-American and ISO him against the other team's defender." It's something other coaches would do time and time again also...it's not new...especially with the age of his team. The reality is, Jok didn't deliver...he lost the ball twice when we should have had the last shot and he couldn't draw a foul. He also made the worst pass decision I've seen in years...length of the floor at that juncture...really Peter.
Fault Fran for having too much confidence in a guy who has 34 points at that point in the game? His All-American? After the first turnover at the end that almost cost him the game...i would have liked to see Fran try something different...like down low to Cook or Pemsl...and draw a foul. Hey...bottom line, what Fran did wasn't stupid.
Fault Fran for having too much confidence in a guy who has 34 points at that point in the game? His All-American? After the first turnover at the end that almost cost him the game...i would have liked to see Fran try something different...like down low to Cook or Pemsl...and draw a foul. Hey...bottom line, what Fran did wasn't stupid.
If I counted right, every team be for this year went 3 for 42. That is horrendous. Especially since one of the three was a throw up contested 3 by Uthoff. Take away that and there were 2 times where players made a clutch shot.
But also looking at that list and remembering a lot of them, there were a lot of wide open shots, quite a few from close range even, that the players simply didn't make.
I also noticed Gesell had two situations where he missed both free throws. Ouch. I still say if he makes those free throws to win the game against ISU his sophomore year, he turns out to be a completely different player. That can instill confidence in a young player and give them a better chance to be clutch later. So far, Bohannon has already made a clutch shot, and Pemsl has made a clutch shot and drilled 4 free throws late. That bodes well for the future. I have a feeling this class is going to make Fran look like a genius in close games over the next 3 years.
That's my thought as well. Especially since Pete has been drilling high pressure shots all year. If Fran would have gone away from him and we lost, fans would have lost their minds. Also he toasted his guy and had a point blank shot for the win if the guy wouldn't have stripped the ball and possibly fouled him.
On a side note, did anyone read the hawk central article on officiating? Pretty crazy stuff in there. Nebraska shot the last 16 free throws of the game. Jok got called for 4 fouls in the ot's. Every time Nebraska needed a score, they ended up at the line.
I can think of 3 bang bang plays that fouls often get called on that didn't for us. Pemsl down low where he lost the ball (it actually looked like no foul but was one where the defender started out of position and officials seem to make anticipation calls on). The Moas play where he drove the lane and lost the ball (Again a lot of hands reaching for no call). Then Jok where he lost the ball where again there was a reach in with no call.
Then the flip side. Every time Nebraska threw the ball down low, there were anticipation whistles being blown as the play was still happening.
I can think of 3 bang bang plays that fouls often get called on that didn't for us. Pemsl down low where he lost the ball (it actually looked like no foul but was one where the defender started out of position and officials seem to make anticipation calls on). The Moas play where he drove the lane and lost the ball (Again a lot of hands reaching for no call). Then Jok where he lost the ball where again there was a reach in with no call.
Then the flip side. Every time Nebraska threw the ball down low, there were anticipation whistles being blown as the play was still happening.
WinOneThisCentury
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The play where Pemsl was forced out of bounds and had to heave it back into play for a turnover was ridiculous. He was hammered with a body blow...no call...that was the most blatant foul you can ask for...and we didn't get the call. I'm not complaining about the officiating as to why we lost...we had several chances to win that game...we just didn't make the plays necessary to do so...Period. We had all kinds of chances...jok hits a shot, doesn't turn it over, whatever...you have to make plays at the end to win...we didn't.
