For those that think college basketball is not a good product

hawkfan340 said:
:eek::eek: Wow, that's a lot of fail right there.
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It's not a fail. Which would you rather own? A middle of the road baseball team that turns a marginal operational profit that has waning TV ratings, an aging fan base, anemic popularity with people 12-24 and a terrible TV deal or: A middle of the road NBA franchise that loses money in operations but has increasing ratings, increasing TV revenue and ratings, a good TV deal, and is growing imensly with men 25-54 (which is the most important demographic period) with spending power as well as people 12-24 (which is tomorrows power group).
 
DuffMan said:
It's not a fail. Which would you rather own? A middle of the road baseball team that turns a marginal operational profit that has waning TV ratings, an aging fan base, anemic popularity with people 12-24 and a terrible TV deal or: A middle of the road NBA franchise that loses money in operations but has increasing ratings, increasing TV revenue and ratings, a good TV deal, and is growing imensly with men 25-54 (which is the most important demographic period) with spending power as well as people 12-24 (which is tomorrows power group).
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The baseball team
 
storminspank said:
NBA hasn't been good since the 90s.

I love college basketball. Nothing in sports is better than March Madness.
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Yep, a bunch of games in empty arenas played when productive members or society are working, that nobody watches except to get final scores to fill out their bingo cards.

Awesome!
 
I don't think people are saying that college basketball is a bad product. It's not a bad product. It is however not nearly as good as it used to be.

The NBA is a great league and has been for a few years. It has financial problems like crazy though and a looming lockout will be really bad for them. Probably will help college basketball though.

The league is as good as it's been in 20 years. I like both although I prefer CBB because my favorite team is 25 miles from my house. If I lived in Oklahoma City and the state of Iowa was 500 miles away I'd probably be on a Thunder message board talking about Durant and Westbrook.

I know this isn't a totally accurate measure but they haven't made a CBB video game since 2009. They always sold like crap. While there is appeal in central Iowa for CBB, we're 4-5 hours away from the nearest NBA team. The NBA is more popular nationwide than CBB without a doubt.
 
CAARHawk said:
Yep, a bunch of games in empty arenas played when productive members or society are working, that nobody watches except to get final scores to fill out their bingo cards.

Awesome!
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At least those people are paying some attention, because I guarantee you those people aren't even giving a second thought about the NBA games.
 
storminspank said:
No, seriously, the NBA is almost unwatchable.
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Iowa games are becoming almost unwatchable. I really wish that wasn't the case.

The NBA is so good right now, just give it a chance. I don't mean go watch the T-Wolves vs the Pacers or something like that. Watch the good teams go against each other and tell me they don't care. College basketball can have all the atmosphere and emotion it wants, but it can't compete with the sheer talent and athleticism on the floor.
 
I don't think it is a very good product, but I think the same thing about the NBA. In college, you have lineups filled with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores; very few talented big men, and teams who just aren't that good. My point being: Ohio State is the No. 1 team in the country. In the 80s and 90s this Ohio State team would be lucky to be in the top 10. Goes to show how exodus of players to the NBA has hindered the college game. As for the NBA, well, someone wake me when it is June because that is about the only time these players really give it their all. NBA: Pass, pass, shoot. Pass, pass, shoot. If I want to watch pick up games I will go to the local "Y"
 
DuffMan said:
It's not a fail. Which would you rather own? A middle of the road baseball team that turns a marginal operational profit that has waning TV ratings, an aging fan base, anemic popularity with people 12-24 and a terrible TV deal or: A middle of the road NBA franchise that loses money in operations but has increasing ratings, increasing TV revenue and ratings, a good TV deal, and is growing imensly with men 25-54 (which is the most important demographic period) with spending power as well as people 12-24 (which is tomorrows power group).
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You need to start using your smart phone.

Baseball has never been more profitable or, on a gross basis, popular. The post-season rating are down, but the regular season rating are doing great and that's where the teams make their bank. Also, your arguments about future profitability and popularity have been going on for decades. Yet NBA has never even come close to the popularity or money of baseball.

Heck I don't even need a middle of the road baseball team. I can own a craptastic baseball team like the Royals or Pirates and turn a profit year after year. I would like profit over loss.

So in summary, if I were an owner and liked the idea of having money and making more, I'd have to go with the baseball team.
 
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DesMoinesHawki said:
I don't think it is a very good product, but I think the same thing about the NBA. In college, you have lineups filled with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores; very few talented big men, and teams who just aren't that good. My point being: Ohio State is the No. 1 team in the country. In the 80s and 90s this Ohio State team would be lucky to be in the top 10. Goes to show how exodus of players to the NBA has hindered the college game. As for the NBA, well, someone wake me when it is June because that is about the only time these players really give it their all. NBA: Pass, pass, shoot. Pass, pass, shoot. If I want to watch pick up games I will go to the local "Y"
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If this was the 80's or 90's Ohio St would have BJ Mullens, Kousta Koufas and Jared Sullinger upfront with Evan Turner running the point. But it would still be considered a rebuilding year as they would have lost three starters, Greg Oden, Mike Conley and DeQuan Cook, from last season's squad.

The early entrants have drastically drained the college talent pool over the last two decades, you no longer see the super talented battle tested team, you get one or the other. The team with the phenom talent, Kentucky last year, or the experienced mid major teams, like UNI last year, that have played together for several years.

I would love to see the NBA adopt a similiar rule to the NFL, you have to be three years removed from your graduating high school class to be eligible for the draft. It's disappointing thinking of all the potential great teams there could have been in the last few years, a D. Rose Tyreke Evans Memphis backcourt, a Love Westrbook Collison Ariza UCLA team, if it wasn't for all the early draft entries.
 
Agree there too. Owning a baseball franchise and having it be profitable is incredibly easy. Buy team, cut payroll, live on the luxury tax.

Unfortunately, there are lots of baseball fans such as myself who root for franchises like Kansas City that know going into every season that they have absolutely no reason to watch. In fact, I have a pretty good reason to believe that I won't have a reason to watch for the next 10 years. Baseball IMO is benefitting from the fact that the large markets are the ones that can afford to pay their players, so they have the best records and their larger markets bring more money for the league.

That said, football is king. It's football and everybody else. On October 19th of last year, the truly awful Titans/Jaguars game beat the Yankees/Rangers ALCS game 3 in the ratings. That's market 29/49 beating market 1/5 in a meaningless regular season game over a game with huge playoff implications.
 
The NBA needs to adopt the MLB rule....either come straight to the league or if you go to college,you cannot go pro til after three years in school.

The Lebrons(which are usually less than 2-3 guys) should be able to go directly to the NBA and make their millions,but the rest need to go to school and develop their games and their minds. Would be better for both the NBA and college bb.
 
JHHawk said:
The NBA needs to adopt the MLB rule....either come straight to the league or if you go to college,you cannot go pro til after three years in school.

The Lebrons(which are usually less than 2-3 guys) should be able to go directly to the NBA and make their millions,but the rest need to go to school and develop their games and their minds. Would be better for both the NBA and college bb.
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Letting kids go right to the pro's from high school does not benefit the NBA. Having the kids play at least one year in college is a terrific free marketing campaign for the NBA. Without that year in college Kevin Durant and Carmelo are just two good Baltimore area recruits, with the year in college they're both recognizable stars coming into the league. Same with John Wall. The NBA does not want to go back to letting kids be eligible for the draft right out of high school.
 
I struggle to get into the NBA until the playoffs. I also struggle to get into CBB outside Iowa/ISU until conference play starts, and even then the tourney is still where it's at.
 
I've tried several times to get back into the NBA. It's pretty difficult. I wish I liked the NBA because I used to love it. LOVE IT.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Well, since you're the guy who breaks down Iowa basketball all the time, I have no choice but to conclude that you wouldn't know good basketball if it sat on your face.
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Oh man, you totally PWN3D me!!! Awesome dig!

You're right, the only basketball I've ever watched is the last 5 years of Iowa Basketball. That's it. Yep.
 
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