tm3308
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One of the symptoms he was suffering as a result of CTE was an inability to focus. I can't imagine why he'd get a prescription for adderall.
Football Killed Tyler Sash - BHGP
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One of the symptoms he was suffering as a result of CTE was an inability to focus. I can't imagine why he'd get a prescription for adderall.
tm3308
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Like it said in the article, there's danger in driving a car if you get in a collision. But if you don't do that, you're fine. But the constant violence IS football. You can't play the game without taking those hits, whereas it's entirely possible to go your entire life behind the wheel and never get in an accident.
As for the bolded, that's just laughable. Hockey is plenty violent, but it's not anywhere near as violent as football. There sure isn't a charging penalty in football, and the guys who dish out the biggest blows in hockey are rarely doing it at the kind of speeds you see NFL linebackers and running backs collide on a regular basis.
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DDThompson
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Are We Not Fed Up?
150 died in tractor accidents/farming accidents last year.
Does ANF or not?
The problem isn't football per se. Stating the obvious, every person's body and mind reacts differently to stress which leads to injuries. And just like a knee or elbow, a brain injury (or series of them) can lead to irrepairable damage. With the brain, of course, personality and cognitive skill can be changed and damaged.
The more that is learned about concussions/brain injury, the more people can make informed decisions for themselves. People are still free to make choices on a lot of things in this country.
150 died in tractor accidents/farming accidents last year.
Does ANF or not?
The problem isn't football per se. Stating the obvious, every person's body and mind reacts differently to stress which leads to injuries. And just like a knee or elbow, a brain injury (or series of them) can lead to irrepairable damage. With the brain, of course, personality and cognitive skill can be changed and damaged.
The more that is learned about concussions/brain injury, the more people can make informed decisions for themselves. People are still free to make choices on a lot of things in this country.
atomicblue224
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I don't wanna to talk about my head injury, and it just not funny when it happened to football players.or any athletes out. It's real nasty s@@t to live with all your life.
Jacktronic
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You clearly don't understand the diagnosis of CTE.
ArvadaHawk
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I don't feel like the article is a knee-jerk reaction. CTE is caused by repeated head trauma (see link from Boston University.) Unless there were other endeavors Sash was involved in that also caused repeated head trauma, the only source was football.
The article didn't say football should be eliminated, but challenged the readers to soul search and reassess their view of and support for the game of football. Like all entertainment, football exists because there is a market for it and it is a healthy market. If that market indicates (as a collective) that they demand significant safety changes, football will have to endeavor to figure it out.
Based on the conclusion that CTE killed Sash and football was the source of the CTE, it can be said that football killed Tyler Sash.
http://www.bu.edu/cte/about/frequently-asked-questions/
Edit: I want to clarify that symptoms of CTE include: memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, suicidality, parkinsonism, and eventually progressive dementia.
Confusion, impaired judgement, impulse control problems, depression and suicidality could all have conspired towards Sash's overdose from a mixture of methadone and hydrocodone.
According to Ryan J. Foley of the Associated Press, methadone and hydrocodone "are legal narcotics used to relieve severe pain, but are also highly addictive."
The article didn't say football should be eliminated, but challenged the readers to soul search and reassess their view of and support for the game of football. Like all entertainment, football exists because there is a market for it and it is a healthy market. If that market indicates (as a collective) that they demand significant safety changes, football will have to endeavor to figure it out.
Based on the conclusion that CTE killed Sash and football was the source of the CTE, it can be said that football killed Tyler Sash.
http://www.bu.edu/cte/about/frequently-asked-questions/
Edit: I want to clarify that symptoms of CTE include: memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, suicidality, parkinsonism, and eventually progressive dementia.
Confusion, impaired judgement, impulse control problems, depression and suicidality could all have conspired towards Sash's overdose from a mixture of methadone and hydrocodone.
According to Ryan J. Foley of the Associated Press, methadone and hydrocodone "are legal narcotics used to relieve severe pain, but are also highly addictive."
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ArvadaHawk
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To further your point, both opposing forces in football (ball carrier and tackler) are many times running at full speed into each other and, often times, both are leading with their head. New rules now legislate leading with the face mask forward. While might minimize neck and spinal injuries, it doesn't negate the sudden impact that causes two brains to suddenly move in the opposite direction of their skull.
I don't think that anyone is saying football should be outlawed or banned, but, a revolution in responsibility and safety is needed. Any sport or entertainment that can ultimately kill the participants, should be looked at and fixed, if at all possible.
This safety issue has always been a kick the can down the road issue because these types of things almost always happen to the retired players, the older players, the out of the spotlight players and can only be determined after death. Tyler's case shows that this can happen to a person in their prime and that needs to be addressed.
ArvadaHawk
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And this is precisely the point. CTE is now proven to be a "real time" situation and doesn't only happen when players are retired or old.
SonofaSailor
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I LOVE football. But I don't think I will be able to allow my future kids to play it with a clear conscience. Unless the game totally changes.
Personally I have pondered whether when I have kids some day...should I try to shield them from football...watch it in the basement etc. I mean the biggest reason I got into football...was growing up watching it with my father.
I hear stories like Sash and it tears at me a bit...How can I be this invested and engrossed with a sport that can steal a person away that early in their life? Will our kids/grand kids look at the videos of us cheering guys running full speed at each other and colliding and be disgusted? Will football be viewed as boxing is now? Ultimately I think I may see the end of amateur football in my lifetime...and it won't be because it's outlawed...but more likely parents will just quit allowing kids to play...and or lawsuits. The first HUGE settlement from a HS football injury/death suit...and I feel like the lawyers will put an end to it...too risky...
Personally I have pondered whether when I have kids some day...should I try to shield them from football...watch it in the basement etc. I mean the biggest reason I got into football...was growing up watching it with my father.
I hear stories like Sash and it tears at me a bit...How can I be this invested and engrossed with a sport that can steal a person away that early in their life? Will our kids/grand kids look at the videos of us cheering guys running full speed at each other and colliding and be disgusted? Will football be viewed as boxing is now? Ultimately I think I may see the end of amateur football in my lifetime...and it won't be because it's outlawed...but more likely parents will just quit allowing kids to play...and or lawsuits. The first HUGE settlement from a HS football injury/death suit...and I feel like the lawyers will put an end to it...too risky...
knighthawk13
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CTE related deaths are likely non existent in high school kids and my son likely would never play beyond that level, so I'm okay with him playing now. I do think the NFL is culpable when they refuse to test players for "stuff" that makes players bigger and faster.
tm3308
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knighthawk13
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I stand corrected. That said, I'm guessing the odds are infinitely lower for high school athletes. The high school player that gave his name also played rugby.
tm3308
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The odds are probably lower, but then again, there's a lot of information we don't know. How many people who only played high school football over the last 50 years went on to suffer these symptoms and were never diagnosed with CTE because it wasn't discovered yet?
hawkeyebob62
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Let's not forget that a lot of the "stuff" knighthawk13 referenced has been thought to cause brain issues (think Lyle Alzado with HGH and brain tumors).
Thing is, this isn't even new. You youngsters won't remember the Jack Tatum hit on Darryl Stingley. Tatum's book was titled, "They Call Me Assassin"! He was a cheap shot artist to some, a hard-hitting, aggressive DB to others. The hit on Stingley was clearly unwarranted, and Stingley remained paralyzed to his death. Allegedly, Tatum never apologized in person, though he claimed he tried and was shunned. And this was almost 40 years ago.
We still don't know if CTE is strictly cumulative or not. We still don't know why it affects some and not others. There's a whole lot we don't know.
What we DO know is that Tyler Sash died WAY too young, and that the last few years of his life were not necessarily "good" years. That, no matter if it was one hit or a thousand hits, is a tragedy.
Thing is, this isn't even new. You youngsters won't remember the Jack Tatum hit on Darryl Stingley. Tatum's book was titled, "They Call Me Assassin"! He was a cheap shot artist to some, a hard-hitting, aggressive DB to others. The hit on Stingley was clearly unwarranted, and Stingley remained paralyzed to his death. Allegedly, Tatum never apologized in person, though he claimed he tried and was shunned. And this was almost 40 years ago.
We still don't know if CTE is strictly cumulative or not. We still don't know why it affects some and not others. There's a whole lot we don't know.
What we DO know is that Tyler Sash died WAY too young, and that the last few years of his life were not necessarily "good" years. That, no matter if it was one hit or a thousand hits, is a tragedy.
eveningnewsteam
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Are they testing for CTE on people who never played football?
tm3308
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They can't be testing it on too many people, since it would require families to donate the brains for testing. But I do doubt that it would be very prevalent among those who haven't played collision sports.
trj
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And you know this how exactly?
eveningnewsteam
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How do we know?
HawkInATX
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Because the previous poster is incorrect. Plenty of bodies are donated to science, and brains are constantly studied and looked at as a result. There have been plenty of autopsies and research done on brains of people who did not play football (far more than we have studied the brains of those who have played football).
