Embarassing. This is freaking Illinois.

[InGoodCo]

You can make the stats say whatever you want. You started at the point that is the least favorable for Iowa. It includes Hayden's last year which was 3-8, then KF first year of 1-10 and his 2nd year which was 3-9. Lets start at 2001-2016, after KF revitalized the program and let me know what you find.

I know this - he's had only 1 losing season in that time... I don't know how many programs or coaches can say that over a 15 year period.

and just like that I'm back in this... slow work week

 

[Fryowa]

You can make the stats say whatever you want. You started at the point that is the least favorable for Iowa. It includes Hayden's last year which was 3-8, then KF first year of 1-10 and his 2nd year which was 3-9. Lets start at 2001-2016, after KF revitalized the program and let me know what you find.

For the record, @InGoodCo asked for 20 years, which is what I did.

And also, while the winning percentage may be slightly different, I will venture to say that Iowa’s position relative to other schools (what we’re dealing with here) will stay the same. I am getting bored with this one and to be honest I don’t want to put the effort into redoing what I did before. I assume you have access to the internet and Excel, feel free to do the math and make me look like an idiot. You wouldn’t be the first person to do it.

 

[Fryowa]

I know this - he's had only 1 losing season in that time... I don't know how many programs or coaches can say that over a 15 year period.

and just like that I'm back in this... slow work week

@Joshbrown has now chimed in; that’s a 100% indicator that this thread has jumped the shark. It’s time for everyone to walk away before he posts a meme or talks about “da horses.”

 

[InGoodCo]

For the record, @InGoodCo asked for 20 years, which is what I did.

And also, while the winning percentage may be slightly different, I will venture to say that Iowa’s position relative to other schools (what we’re dealing with here) will stay the same. I am getting bored with this one and to be honest I don’t want to put the effort into redoing what I did before. I assume you have access to the internet and Excel, feel free to do the math and make me look like an idiot. You wouldn’t be the first person to do it.

I said 20 cause it's Kirk's 19th year, I didn't really expect you to do the work. But good on you for doing it. I bet Iowa would be 3rd or 4th in the conference with Dean's perimeters....again, we're talking about a guy who's won 6 or more games in 15 out of 18 years.

 

[InGoodCo]

@Joshbrown has now chimed in; that’s a 100% indicator that this thread has jumped the shark. It’s time for everyone to walk away before he posts a meme or talks about “da horses.”

It's just so hard to stop - I want you to see my point.

 

[deanvogs]

For the record, @InGoodCo asked for 20 years, which is what I did.

And also, while the winning percentage may be slightly different, I will venture to say that Iowa’s position relative to other schools (what we’re dealing with here) will stay the same. I am getting bored with this one and to be honest I don’t want to put the effort into redoing what I did before. I assume you have access to the internet and Excel, feel free to do the math and make me look like an idiot. You wouldn’t be the first person to do it.

I don't have a site that just shows only conference games. Overall record though looks like this:

OSU clearly on top.

Then Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan St. and Penn St. all with from 120-124 wins. Yes, that close, crazy really with Iowa having the 4th best winning%, but just barely.

 

[Joshbrown]

For the record, @InGoodCo and make me look like an idiot. You wouldn’t be the first person to do it. (tru dat)

Well ya did turn another thread into a shit show.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

IGC

This is what some Hawk fans see as of now.

Under Hayden Fry Iowa was elevated from worst to being better than every team except Michigan/O$U/PedState

Now Iowa is behind those 3 programs plus Wisconsin and MSU (despite last years results) and some would argue Nebraska. With JHF Iowa was seen as being near the top of the pack. In fact he once famously said that in the 1980s. With KF Iowa is closer to middle of the pack despite the fact that his compensation package says he is a top of the pack coach.

He's also not morally superior. He started his coaching tenure with a scandal (offensive playbook) and as recently as last summer made himself look bad by being on the wrong side of a jury verdict. To his credit the scandals have tapered off, but he's had plenty of them in his time as head coach. More than I remember Hayden having. If he and Barta retired in the next 12 months that would allow Iowa to re-establish itself as the school weaker programs want to be like. As of now Wisky occupies that position.

I am not sure anyone has even inferred the idea that KF is morally superior to HF, it's odd you make that statement(not really). The only "scandals" KF has any legitimate black eyes on is Rhabdo (which still has a lot of unknowns and questions about, and probably always will) and that terrible Section 8 housing scandal Brian was involved in (sarcasm font doesn't work). It's weird that you have such an issue with the vast majority of Iowa fans, and CFB world in general have a high reverence for how KF runs things overall, whether you believe he's a good coach or not. Longevity will play a huge part in it, but the guy is going to be a college football Hall of Fame coach, sorry about your luck.

Your next to last sentence may come to be true, but it's strange you state it as a fact. I guess we'll find out in 5+ years....maybe.

 

[Fryowa]

Well ya did turn another thread into a shit show.

I see you took me off ignore. I knew you couldn’t stay away from me joshie.

 

[Fryowa]

Well ya did turn another thread into a shit show.

And you’re such a whiner that you had to change my quote. Up your game, Griesbaum.

 

[PCHawk]

I don't have a site that just shows only conference games. Overall record though looks like this:

OSU clearly on top.

Then Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan St. and Penn St. all with from 120-124 wins. Yes, that close, crazy really with Iowa having the 4th best winning%, but just barely.

So we are only 4 or 5 wins out of sole second place over the last 17 years? That's pretty crazy. Parity is just something most fans are going to have to get used to.

 

[deanvogs]

So we are only 4 or 5 wins out of sole second place over the last 17 years? That's pretty crazy. Parity is just something most fans are going to have to get used to.

Yeah, I was surprised. Yet Wisconsin more recent success is way better. If you take the last 10 years, they are way further out ahead with 97 wins to 90 for MSU, 87 for Penn St., 86 for Nebraska and 80 for Iowa and 75 for Michigan.