Ellingson

JG10Hawk said:
Good lord, we all know Brady isn't a PG. To come on here and rip him for being forced to play out of position is ridiculous. He is what Fran recruited him for, a sharpshooter that plays decent defense, limits his turnovers, and passes well.

Here are some Ellingson stats from last season for you and I'm going with conference only so the numbers are not muddled for games vs sub par teams.

  • .523% EFG% - 5th on the team behind 1. Baer, 2. Kriener, 3. Pemsl, & 4. Bohannon. This stat takes into account that 3s are worth more than 2s for a more accurate pure shooter stat. Note that Kriener played half as many minutes as Brady and Pemsl was a force around the rim. This stats shows he was a better pure shooter than Jok and Moss. It should be noted Jok had twice as many minutes and Moss only had 21 more. If you want the more historic stat, Brady shot 45% from 3 during conference play, which led the team outside of Cook's 50% on 1-2 shooting.
  • 19.6% AST% - 3rd on the team behind 1. Bohannon and 2. Jok. This stat shows that Brady received an assist on 19.6% of the FGs made while he was on the floor. (I guess the OP was right, Brady has average at best vision (SARCASM))
  • 9.2% TOV% - Brady dominated this stat leading the team. This stat shows the number of turnovers he averaged per 100 possessions. (The OP didn't mention turnovers but I did, so figured I'd prove my point. I guess one could infer that his AST% combined with TOV% proves he's more trust worthy of having the ball in his hands than the other backup reserve PG options.) Yes, I realize he isn't the best ball handler, but we are talking backup to the backup for PG and he does not turn the ball over.
  • Lastly, just an FYI, Brady had a 4-1 AST to TO ratio last night. Moss was 1-1 and Dailey was 1-3.

If you don't believe me, here are the stats from last season. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2017.html

I'll wait for a response.
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BE isn't going to turn the ball over much. That's for sure. When you constantly pick up your dribble 30' from the goal, "turnovers" isn't going to be your problem.
The only problem I have with BE is that we have to play a kid with such limited High D-1 ability. And that's not on BE. That's on Fran.
I'd have a problem with Fran if he offered my 17 yr old son and played him in real games. My son is good basketball player but he's not a D-1 basketball player.
And I'd fully expect this and every Iowa message board to openly rip my son's lack of high D-1 ability.
 
LicThawk said:
I watched the game, not sure who else on this post has, and Moss didn't seem to play much. Every team we play seems to have more speed in the front court so I wonder why we always swing and miss on recruits. I was merely commenting there are other players on the team we can try in that position to prepare for another worse case scenario like someone else getting hurt. Also, if you look on the football side of the forums I started a Stanley post full of love.
I'm sorry you have to talk crap about my post to feel better about the shag carpet that surrounds your bedroom in your mom's basement. There are other ways adults can share opinions and have opposing views about the teams they love without being dbags.
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Not sure if the was intended for me but I'll bite.

  • Yes, I watched the game, haven't missed more than a handful in 10 years.
  • Moss didn't play much because there was no need to. When he was in he shot lights out and looked confident out there.
  • We actually have decent speed in the front court considering our size. I'm guessing you mean back court and I agree Fran has swung on miss on some highly rated guards. They haven't all lacked speed though see Bryce Cartwright and Trey Dickerson. I thought Gesell and Clemmons had decent speed but I'm assuming you mean the ability to blow by the opposing guard.
  • You were not merely commenting there are other players on the team to be tried at backup PG. You singled out Ellingson. Next time start the thread "Backup PG" or something of the likes.
  • What does football have to do with this thread?
  • No need for personal attacks. I do not live in my mom's basement and haven't since high school. No shag carpets either in case you were wondering.
  • I agree there are ways of sharing opinions that differ without being a dbag. You are the one doing the name calling and being childish. I simply stated some facts with stats to back it up.
Have a good day.
 
lightning1 said:
BE isn't going to turn the ball over much. That's for sure. When you constantly pick up your dribble 30' from the goal, "turnovers" isn't going to be your problem.
The only problem I have with BE is that we have to play a kid with such limited High D-1 ability. And that's not on BE. That's on Fran.
I'd have a problem with Fran if he offered my 17 yr old son and played him in real games. My son is good basketball player but he's not a D-1 basketball player.
And I'd fully expect this and every Iowa message board to openly rip my son's lack of high D-1 ability.
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Solid points. I agree it is on Fran for not having a more viable option at backup PG. Brady is not meant for that role. Like I've said, Brady is a specialist that is effective when in the correct role.
 
lightning1 said:
His court vision was off the charts and he was dropping dimes from every angle, to every spot on the floor. He would avg 10 assists a game on our team. I wouldn't care if he never took a shot.
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against a zone defense; which means, we weren't guarding a specific person, just an area. look, i said the kid is good. but if he is such a huge miss on Fran's part then, certainly, you are being highly critical of MSU, IU, UM, MN, IL, NU, NW, PU, RU, MD, OSU, WU and PSU, right? Then, let's talk about other conferences.
 
JG10Hawk said:
Not sure if the was intended for me but I'll bite.

  • Yes, I watched the game, haven't missed more than a handful in 10 years.
  • Moss didn't play much because there was no need to. When he was in he shot lights out and looked confident out there.
  • We actually have decent speed in the front court considering our size. I'm guessing you mean back court and I agree Fran has swung on miss on some highly rated guards. They haven't all lacked speed though see Bryce Cartwright and Trey Dickerson. I thought Gesell and Clemmons had decent speed but I'm assuming you mean the ability to blow by the opposing guard.
  • You were not merely commenting there are other players on the team to be tried at backup PG. You singled out Ellingson. Next time start the thread "Backup PG" or something of the likes.
  • What does football have to do with this thread?
  • No need for personal attacks. I do not live in my mom's basement and haven't since high school. No shag carpets either in case you were wondering.
  • I agree there are ways of sharing opinions that differ without being a dbag. You are the one doing the name calling and being childish. I simply stated some facts with stats to back it up.
Have a good day.
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But.....did you have a lava lamp? :)
 
ArvadaHawk said:
against a zone defense; which means, we weren't guarding a specific person, just an area. look, i said the kid is good. but if he is such a huge miss on Fran's part then, certainly, you are being highly critical of MSU, IU, UM, MN, IL, NU, NW, PU, RU, MD, OSU, WU and PSU, right? Then, let's talk about other conferences.
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I didn't say "he was a huge miss by Fran". I said Chicago State managed to locate and sign a PG. You listed a bunch of programs that didn't seem to have a problem finding PGs either.
 
JG10Hawk said:
Solid points. I agree it is on Fran for not having a more viable option at backup PG. Brady is not meant for that role. Like I've said, Brady is a specialist that is effective when in the correct role.
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And Connor will come in and be satisfactory when he's healed. I was very impressed with how Connor ran the offense in the exhibition games. He looks in control. And, at 6'5", I could see he and JBo developing into a lot of minutes on the floor and give JBo the ability to hunt shots as the sg. I was pleasantly surprised with CM's handles and vision. I am not saying CM is an "elite" pg, but we could be solid at pg with him, until/if we can land an elite pg.
 
We keep hearing how difficult it is to find quality guards, to excuse Fran's inability to sign them. Yet, every year we face a half dozen small D-1 programs that have these guards on their rosters. Not to mention all of the BIG programs that have them too.
The excuses for Fran are beyond ignorant, so, just stop already. He's not a new coach here any longer. It's past time he started signing more than 2 guards that can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
 
lightning1 said:
I didn't say "he was a huge miss by Fran". I said Chicago State managed to locate and sign a PG. You listed a bunch of programs that didn't seem to have a problem finding PGs either.
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So you think JBo isn't a good pg and you aren't accounting for what Connor appears to be able to provide? Look, I agree with you that we don't have that elite pg (if that is your point) but pointing out the kid from Chi St as a miss for Fran is a bit of a strawman argument. We were leading for Charlie Moore before things came to an abrupt stop and Iowa walked away. We were this close to Tyler Ulis. Again, I think we agree that Fran has missed on elite pg's. but if you think the kid from Chi St is better than what we currently have, then I disagree with you and that is why I made the point that every other B1G school also missed.
 
lightning1 said:
We keep hearing how difficult it is to find quality guards, to excuse Fran's inability to sign them. Yet, every year we face a half dozen small D-1 programs that have these guards on their rosters. Not to mention all of the BIG programs that have them too.
The excuses for Fran are beyond ignorant, so, just stop already. He's not a new coach here any longer. It's past time he started signing more than 2 guards that can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
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You know what, lightning1, you just showed your stupidity. And i'll do you a favor so that you can maybe think about it. you have some valid points, but the minute you start calling other points of view or counter arguments "ignorant" you lose credibility and are not taken seriously. get rid of the name calling and then it becomes a back and forth of points of view that make the internet actually fun. up to you. cuz, you know, anyone that calls anyone ignorant, is just ignorant.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
So you think JBo isn't a good pg and you aren't accounting for what Connor appears to be able to provide? Look, I agree with you that we don't have that elite pg (if that is your point) but pointing out the kid from Chi St as a miss for Fran is a bit of a strawman argument. We were leading for Charlie Moore before things came to an abrupt stop and Iowa walked away. We were this close to Tyler Ulis. Again, I think we agree that Fran has missed on elite pg's. but if you think the kid from Chi St is better than what we currently have, then I disagree with you and that is why I made the point that every other B1G school also missed.
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Show me the post where I said the guard from Chi St was a miss by Fran, please.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
You know what, lightning1, you just showed your stupidity. And i'll do you a favor so that you can maybe think about it. you have some valid points, but the minute you start calling other points of view or counter arguments "ignorant" you lose credibility and are not taken seriously. get rid of the name calling and then it becomes a back and forth of points of view that make the internet actually fun. up to you. cuz, you know, anyone that calls anyone ignorant, is just ignorant.
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Only if you don't know what the word "ignorant" means.
 
MisterLucky said:
Our PG play is so poor that it must have been all Iowa fans that voted Bohannon to the B1G All-Freshman team last season
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I pointed this out last year and we'll see how it plays out this year. JBo had the benefit of playing next to Jok who was every defense's main concern last year. He doesn't have that luxury this year. Opposing defenses will play him straight up and force him to beat them.
It's going to be interesting to see how he does.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
And Connor will come in and be satisfactory when he's healed. I was very impressed with how Connor ran the offense in the exhibition games. He looks in control. And, at 6'5", I could see he and JBo developing into a lot of minutes on the floor and give JBo the ability to hunt shots as the sg. I was pleasantly surprised with CM's handles and vision. I am not saying CM is an "elite" pg, but we could be solid at pg with him, until/if we can land an elite pg.
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I agree, Connor appeared to be in control during the exhibitions and handled pressure well. He isn't nor will he ever be that elite PG some want to see. Like you said he appeared to have a good handle and vision as well. I hope he is healthy enough to play tomorrow. IMO we need to get him plenty of live game reps before the games start to really count.
 
lightning1 said:
Show me the post where I said the guard from Chi St was a miss by Fran, please.
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My Post: "...True pg's are the most sought after college hoopsters and there are plenty of big dogs chasing few of them."

Your reply to my post: "Chicago State found one."

In the context of that statement and reply, you are saying that because Chicago State found a "true pg" in a discussion on Iowa not having found a true pg, you are saying it's a miss for Iowa and Fran.
 
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