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Ian Pike Hammer
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Give me your pro's and con's for playing them [either as a starter or substitute].
MelroseHawkins
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Pro's - Makes plays
Cons - Takes more hits.
Cons - Takes more hits.
hawkeyes87
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Pro's-
- less likely to get blitzed, because more likely qb is rolling out
- qb can "call his own number" to take advantage of D's alignment
Cons-
- qb is probably the easiest guy to strip from
- true "dual-threat" qb's are often limited as passers
- less likely to get blitzed, because more likely qb is rolling out
- qb can "call his own number" to take advantage of D's alignment
Cons-
- qb is probably the easiest guy to strip from
- true "dual-threat" qb's are often limited as passers
The qb is usually not accounted for in the run game and if you can create a seam they can run, scramble, make plays to keep drives going etc.
The thing to keep them healthy is to tell the coach them to slide and duck out of bounds. Garrapolo blew his knee out last year trying to get extra yards on a scramble which is stupid for a top passing qb with wheels.
CJB was smart running with the ball most times unless he saw the pylon (like in the Pitt game and the Indiana game where he cartwheeled) or the first down marker on 3rd or 4th down.
True dual threat quarterbacks are the ultimate weapon, however, they don't grow on trees and there isn't a lot of them. If you are lucky enough to get one, and he doesn't get hurt, they can be a program changer and make some coaches and schools a lot of money. Let's think, in the last decade or so, when were they?
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Johnny Manziel
Tua
Trevor Lawrence
Lamar Jackson
Jameis Winston
Tim tebow
Cam newton
Russell wilson
Deshaun Watson
Carson Wentz
Marcus Mariota
Andrew luck
Terrell pryor/Braxton miller/jt barrett
Alex smith
Mike Vick
Jalen hurts
Juice Williams. Took illinois to a rose bowl
I am sure there are a few more and I am forgetting someone, but there aren't that many more. And get the common theme there? All of them were very well known as recruits except wentz, smith and wilson, and all of them changed their programs by winning a lot, and most went to blue chip schools except for the 3 gems I just stated.
My point is that everyone would want them, they are extremely difficult to duplicate (unless you are clemson and just bring in a bunch of 5 star QBs and pick from the litter), and they don't come to a place like Iowa.
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Johnny Manziel
Tua
Trevor Lawrence
Lamar Jackson
Jameis Winston
Tim tebow
Cam newton
Russell wilson
Deshaun Watson
Carson Wentz
Marcus Mariota
Andrew luck
Terrell pryor/Braxton miller/jt barrett
Alex smith
Mike Vick
Jalen hurts
Juice Williams. Took illinois to a rose bowl
I am sure there are a few more and I am forgetting someone, but there aren't that many more. And get the common theme there? All of them were very well known as recruits except wentz, smith and wilson, and all of them changed their programs by winning a lot, and most went to blue chip schools except for the 3 gems I just stated.
My point is that everyone would want them, they are extremely difficult to duplicate (unless you are clemson and just bring in a bunch of 5 star QBs and pick from the litter), and they don't come to a place like Iowa.
Motigerhawk
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PROs-- QB can create, QB can run a triple option out of a pistol formation, Wait, we have that but always hand off is that purposeful?, Triple option with a dual threat QB is fantastic in college football today, It is a 2000s era offense.
Cons-- QB gets hurt a lot, QB could be and usually is a weaker passer, KF would turn him into a WR (I stole that one)
Cons-- QB gets hurt a lot, QB could be and usually is a weaker passer, KF would turn him into a WR (I stole that one)
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DDThompson
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dirtwrap nailed it. True dual threats are an every play threat with either/or/and passing and running.
There better be a substantial backup in case of injury or the offense will likely fizzle.
The poor man’s dual threat QB can get themselves out of trouble/pocket and can gash a defense when it is undisciplined.
There better be a substantial backup in case of injury or the offense will likely fizzle.
The poor man’s dual threat QB can get themselves out of trouble/pocket and can gash a defense when it is undisciplined.
guffus
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Pro - Brad BankS (heisman runner up) and opportunity to move program from the dark ages
Con - ferentz getting nervous that his qb might run out of bounds in front of the first down marker, fumble once or not practice well and bench him for life and immediately run back to his blankie comfort zone of a stationary slug of a qb that “manages the game” so his defense can have a chance to win in the fourth
Con - ferentz getting nervous that his qb might run out of bounds in front of the first down marker, fumble once or not practice well and bench him for life and immediately run back to his blankie comfort zone of a stationary slug of a qb that “manages the game” so his defense can have a chance to win in the fourth
Good ones. Antwan Randle El was unbelievable.
You are not wrong. In this offense if stanley could run just a little bit, it would open things up a lot. Thing I don't understand is that we all look at Stanley like he is crippled or something, because that's how he plays. But he was apparently a 4 year starter in basketball and was like all state or conference or something, and you have to be able to move to play that sport.
Motigerhawk
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I think Stanley is gun shy. I think he sees the rush and freezes up. It has to be more mental than physical.
hawkeyes87
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Well, actually...
Mayfield was a 3-star "pro-style"who walked on at Texas Tech
Mariota, also 3-star, chose Oregon over his only other offer, Memphis
Not exactly "well known", "they don't come to a place like Iowa" recruits.
In 3 out of his 4 years in college, he threw more interceptions than TDs.
hawkeyebob62
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While Brad Banks had good passing numbers, a lot of his success came on his WRs adjusting to less-than-stellar throws.
He was "dual threat" in the Big 10 framework. Against a real defense like U$C? Not so much. And that's the problem. A talented, disciplined defense can mitigate a dual-threat QB. LSU neutered...er, neutralized Lamar Jackson. O$U did the same to Mariota.
He was "dual threat" in the Big 10 framework. Against a real defense like U$C? Not so much. And that's the problem. A talented, disciplined defense can mitigate a dual-threat QB. LSU neutered...er, neutralized Lamar Jackson. O$U did the same to Mariota.
