No, BlindDogScooter is 100% correct. The First Amendment protects free speech and protests only from government infringement and interference ... it does not apply to private organizations. Any POTUS is entitled to his/her opinion on controversial topics, that would not override the First Amendment.
Don't Expect Any Protests During National Anthem from Hawkeyes
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I know it is not technically government infringement, but it is definitely entering a gray area. I think one could argue that POTUS has enough influence that if he starts to criticize free speech, it will have tangible impacts.
Q. If somebody felt strongly enough that they had to make a political statement during the season,would you support them?
KIRK FERENTZ: I'd ask them to do it on their own time, probably. Use a platform where maybe it could make a difference. Here's the way I look at it too, name anybody that's against or in favor of social injustice? Like anybody? Who is in favor of cancer? Who is in favor of all these things that are out there? I can't imagine there is anybody in favor of dumb stuff.So go do something that could really make a difference. Go do community service. Go to an activist rally. Go listen to candidates talk when it's political season. I've got my blue shirt and red tie on, speaking of politics and primaries and all that stuff. But go listen and find out what candidates are really about,and go vote. Go vote.If you really want to do something, do something. But some things are just way too easy. I think in a lot of cases people just kind of follow the crowd. I think it happens way too much sometimes. I'm not accusing anybody in this moment of time of doing that, but it's just kind of been history. Use your own mind.
KIRK FERENTZ: I'd ask them to do it on their own time, probably. Use a platform where maybe it could make a difference. Here's the way I look at it too, name anybody that's against or in favor of social injustice? Like anybody? Who is in favor of cancer? Who is in favor of all these things that are out there? I can't imagine there is anybody in favor of dumb stuff.So go do something that could really make a difference. Go do community service. Go to an activist rally. Go listen to candidates talk when it's political season. I've got my blue shirt and red tie on, speaking of politics and primaries and all that stuff. But go listen and find out what candidates are really about,and go vote. Go vote.If you really want to do something, do something. But some things are just way too easy. I think in a lot of cases people just kind of follow the crowd. I think it happens way too much sometimes. I'm not accusing anybody in this moment of time of doing that, but it's just kind of been history. Use your own mind.
You could argue it, but you would get laughed out of court. If an NFL owner wanted to fire one of the kneelers he could simply state it was his decision ... employee broke the NFL bylaws and potentially other contractual obligations ... not any influence from POTUS.
I am not saying he is violating a constitutional law in the strictest sense. I am saying it is way out of bounds for him to make those comments from the Oval Office. Do you think POTUS should be suggesting that private business owners fire employees for engaging in non-violent protest?
HawkGold
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There could be challenges on discrimination on freedom of speech in the workplace. The Constitution is a living document and does morph.
Stanzi
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Yes and the owner would then have to pay a hefty chunk of money to said player. It's a unique situation with professional athletes.
I'm not making it political, I could really care less what any politician says. If I'm a business owner and one of my employees is hacking off 70% of my customers they are gone ... and I would win that in court everyday.
Give me an example of a winning case ... there is none.
Would depend on said players contract.
I am not making it political in the sense that I don't care if POTUS is D or R. My feelings on the sitting POTUS are a mixed bag. I have civic concerns if the POTUS, widely considered to be the head of our government, criticizes free speech. That seems to be "government infringement" in spirit, if not in law.
So I ask again, keeping your political leanings out of it, strictly from the standpoint of civic propriety, do you think that is something POTUS should do?
Your trying to twist it in to politics. I could really care less what any politician says. My argument is strictly on the constitutional and Bill of Rights perspective.
HawkGold
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No
Our courts arent altruistic.
but there are a lot of firsts. Im sayjng that would be the angle. Dollars decide a lot.
Our courts arent altruistic.
HawkeyeWalker
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“So go do something that could really make a difference? Go do community service. Go to an activist rally. Go listen to candidates talk when it’s political season. I’ve got my blue shirt and red tie on speaking of politics and primaries and all that stuff. But go listen and find out what candidates are really about, and go vote. Go vote"
I like that quote...especially the blue shirt and red the part.
I like that quote...especially the blue shirt and red the part.
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HawkeyeWalker
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I hope the OC demonstrates better play calling against MSU.
Just start where he left off in the 4th qtr last week...
God bless
Ohhhhhh- that makes me
I hope you're correct, but things can change in a hurry, a lot of gas being poured Into the fire. Remember when streakers were unruly distraction?
1hawkeye1
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KIRK FERENTZ FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
