Dickerson Thinks Atwood Will Commit

[DDThompson]

But, as illustrated above, Marble didn't take an unusual share of shots for a team's best player. Michigan State seems to have gelled just fine despite Harris taking a nearly identical share of shots. Tennessee and Louisville are in the Sweet 16. And nobody would suggest that Paige is a ballhog. He takes the shots because he has to. Just like Marble, IMO. He didn't get the kind of support he needed, either because some guys weren't aggressive enough, or other players in the rotation were taking too many shots. Maybe a bit of both. But the best player taking around 20% of the team's shots isn't unusual. If guys had a problem with how many touches/shots they were getting, it was more about how the other 80% got divvied up.

Well said, tm.

The gap of FGA for Iowa's 2nd/3rd option is huge compared to 2nd/3rd and even 4th option of those other teams is striking.

Obviously White wasn't aggressive/skilled enough to take 16'-18' attempts and Gesell was . . . driving to the basket to have shots bounce harmlessly off the top of the backboard or getting easily swatted away by 6'11" giants instead of passing out to open players on the wings or baseline.

 

[DDThompson]

I see that you have a limited post history in the 13-14 months that you've been a member. I along with others here would appreciate it if you would continue that trend.

**spits pepsi out of mouth onto monitor**

Thanks for that in a couple of ways.

 

[tm3308]

Well said, tm.

The gap of FGA for Iowa's 2nd/3rd option is huge compared to 2nd/3rd and even 4th option of those other teams is striking.

Obviously White wasn't aggressive/skilled enough to take 16'-18' attempts and Gesell was . . . driving to the basket to have shots bounce harmlessly off the top of the backboard or getting easily swatted away by 6'11" giants instead of passing out to open players on the wings or baseline.

That said, while an objective look at how many shots Marble and other top players took shows that Marble wasn't the problem, that wouldn't necessarily mean he wasn't the problem. IF there were any finger-pointing going on, other players might still have been resentful of Marble, even if they shouldn't have been.

 

[HawkeyeHypnosis]

lol. Yeah, no.

The amount of people thinking a couple juco's (along with a pretty bad HS recruiting class) will take us to the promised land is humorous.

Sorry to burst bubbles.

Perhaps it will take us to a bit higher level of mediocre, but that's about it.

Is this another piece of info from your solid sources?

 

[PCHawk]

But, as illustrated above, Marble didn't take an unusual share of shots for a team's best player. Michigan State seems to have gelled just fine despite Harris taking a nearly identical share of shots. Tennessee and Louisville are in the Sweet 16. And nobody would suggest that Paige is a ballhog. He takes the shots because he has to. Just like Marble, IMO. He didn't get the kind of support he needed, either because some guys weren't aggressive enough, or other players in the rotation were taking too many shots. Maybe a bit of both. But the best player taking around 20% of the team's shots isn't unusual. If guys had a problem with how many touches/shots they were getting, it was more about how the other 80% got divvied up.

I agree completely. I don't think you can be upset with how much one player shoots and at the same time pass up your own shots. Marbles shot selection probably breaks down something like 15% good open shots, 3% shot clock winding down shot, and 2% bad shot. You can't get mad at someone for taking as few bad shots as marble does.

The only thing I've noticed about Marble is he always seems to take it himself on a fast break. Sometimes the pass seems like the better option and he takes it anyway. That probably has more to do with him being more comfortable finishing in traffic than passing in traffic than it does with him being selfish though.

 

[LG210]

-Atwood has a filled out 6’8 frame and has the intangibles we need more of: Strength, toughness, fire.
-Has an excellent midrange jumper (which he can shoot off the catch or dribble)
-Shoots the 3 well
-Drives very strong to the hoop
-Gets to the foul line a lot (Is a good foul shooter as well)
-Ability to create his own shot
-Decent Passer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQczl4xB7g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ZDK46ojV4

Do you think coaches are surprised when a recruit doesn't shoot 100% from the field?

"But you never missed on YouTube..."

 

[Hawkstrat]

Not much to complain about there either considering he was our best wing Defender.

Speaking of D... What's the scoop on Willie's D??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzJ6932d_N4

 

[tksirius]

Do you think coaches are surprised when a recruit doesn't shoot 100% from the field?

"But you never missed on YouTube..."

Wouldn't you be surprised?
[video=youtube;iAiyrees0uM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAiyrees0uM[/video]

 

[JG10Hawk]

Here's his stats for this year. Only 11 3PA this year. Definitely more of a 4 than a 3.

http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/div1/players/willieatwoodul1c

 

[bws258]

Marble...he took too many shots.

ROFLMFAO

Dev took those shots because the only other player with any guts to take/make a clutch shot was Gesell. This team was soft, and Dev was forced to try and do it all himself at times. That said, we may be a better TEAM next year, because we'll have 8 starting-caliber players who will have had another off-season to improve and gel. I especially liked the improvement I saw in Jok and Woodbury toward season-end, and look forward to see how much better they can get.

 

[glidinghawk]

Wow, just saw a box score for one of Atwood's J.C. games from last November. He was 33 for 37 from the FT line, scored 49 altogether. He must be very aggressive going to the hoop.

 

[PCHawk]

Wow, just saw a box score for one of Atwood's J.C. games from last November. He was 33 for 37 from the FT line, scored 49 altogether. He must be very aggressive going to the hoop.

Sounds like a ball hog.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Dev took those shots because the only other player with any guts to take/make a clutch shot was Gesell.

I'm not bashing Dev, Gesell or anyone else on the team. This is just an observation. It's hard for other guys to take the big shots if the point guards don't ever give them the ball. The other guys may or may not have "guts." We can't really say for sure.

 

[tm3308]

I'm not bashing Dev, Gesell or anyone else on the team. This is just an observation. It's hard for other guys to take the big shots if the point guards don't ever give them the ball. The other guys may or may not have "guts." We can't really say for sure.

Except that only Marble took a lot of shots, and he didn't take an unusual share for a player of his caliber. The fact that guys like White didn't get enough shots up are the result of a combination of factors: lack of aggression, lack of necessary skill in certain situations, and other guys in the rotation taking too many shots. MSU had to divide 80% of their shots among Payne, Appling, Dawson and the rest of the team. They didn't struggle to get their shots up, even with Harris taking a nearly identical share of shots as Marble.

I don't think you're bashing anyone, but if any of the players not named Marble had a problem with the number of shots they were getting, they more likely have no one but the person they see in the mirror to blame.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Except that only Marble took a lot of shots, and he didn't take an unusual share for a player of his caliber. The fact that guys like White didn't get enough shots up are the result of a combination of factors: lack of aggression, lack of necessary skill in certain situations, and other guys in the rotation taking too many shots. MSU had to divide 80% of their shots among Payne, Appling, Dawson and the rest of the team. They didn't struggle to get their shots up, even with Harris taking a nearly identical share of shots as Marble.

I don't think you're bashing anyone, but if any of the players not named Marble had a problem with the number of shots they were getting, they more likely have no one but the person they see in the mirror to blame.

The guys with the ball in their hands when the clock is winding down are in control. They will ultimately decide which guy takes that last shot. Marble is the logical choice. I have no problem with that. Gesell makes less sense based on his shooting struggles this season...but I do like guys that are willing to try. I disagree with the post I quoted saying other players don't have "guts" just because these 2 took those shots.

 

[PalmettoHawkFan]

gesell has some stones, and I have to believe his shot will start falling.

I'm ok with him taking late-game shots next year.

 

[tm3308]

The guys with the ball in their hands when the clock is winding down are in control. They will ultimately decide which guy takes that last shot. Marble is the logical choice. I have no problem with that. Gesell makes less sense based on his shooting struggles this season...but I do like guys that are willing to try. I disagree with the post I quoted saying other players don't have "guts" just because these 2 took those shots.

Maybe I just misread that post. I thought he was referencing other players' lack of desire to shoot at all times, not just at the end of the game. Because there was plenty of deference amongst the rest of the team, and I think that was a bigger problem than Marble taking 21% of the shots. White simply didn't take enough shots, and it wasn't because Marble took too many. Looking at the stats from this year's team, here is the FGA breakdown:

Marble-436
White-245
Gesell-240
McCabe-172
Uthoff-168
Basabe-164
Olaseni-140
Woody-136
Ogles3-110

There are some pretty glaring things wrong with that picture, specifically the numbers next to McCabe, Uthoff and Basabe. I don't think McCabe was anywhere near worthless, so this isn't meant to bash him. But there's no way he should have been getting more shots up than Uthoff or Basabe, much less both of them. Olaseni and Woody were in a solid spot, IMO; neither is THAT skilled offensively and they split time.

If Oglesby had been healthy all year, I think McCabe should have fallen in right about where Josh did in an abbreviated season, while Oglesby would have ended with around 150 shots. 120 shots or fewer would have been appropriate for Zach, with more touches going to any of White/Gesell/Uthoff/Basabe. I'd even say that Gesell should have taken fewer shots in favor of the frontcourt guys. Gesell was perhaps our most important player, but we were at our best when he was facilitating and dropping in some points. We were 2-7 in conference games where he put up more than 9 shots, and 7-3 when he didn't crack double digit attempts. I've got no problem with his courage, and I'll feel fine putting the ball in his hands in the clutch. I just think maybe he should have taken fewer shots throughout the course of the game and given Basabe, White and Uthoff more opportunities.

 

[Tierney]

Maybe I just misread that post. I thought he was referencing other players' lack of desire to shoot at all times, not just at the end of the game. Because there was plenty of deference amongst the rest of the team, and I think that was a bigger problem than Marble taking 21% of the shots. White simply didn't take enough shots, and it wasn't because Marble took too many. Looking at the stats from this year's team, here is the FGA breakdown:

Marble-436
White-245
Gesell-240
McCabe-172
Uthoff-168
Basabe-164
Olaseni-140
Woody-136
Ogles3-110

There are some pretty glaring things wrong with that picture, specifically the numbers next to McCabe, Uthoff and Basabe. I don't think McCabe was anywhere near worthless, so this isn't meant to bash him. But there's no way he should have been getting more shots up than Uthoff or Basabe, much less both of them. Olaseni and Woody were in a solid spot, IMO; neither is THAT skilled offensively and they split time.

If Oglesby had been healthy all year, I think McCabe should have fallen in right about where Josh did in an abbreviated season, while Oglesby would have ended with around 150 shots. 120 shots or fewer would have been appropriate for Zach, with more touches going to any of White/Gesell/Uthoff/Basabe. I'd even say that Gesell should have taken fewer shots in favor of the frontcourt guys. Gesell was perhaps our most important player, but we were at our best when he was facilitating and dropping in some points. We were 2-7 in conference games where he put up more than 9 shots, and 7-3 when he didn't crack double digit attempts. I've got no problem with his courage, and I'll feel fine putting the ball in his hands in the clutch. I just think maybe he should have taken fewer shots throughout the course of the game and given Basabe, White and Uthoff more opportunities.

McCabe is a good shooter, but he had trouble hitting the shots in games. He probably got more opportunities than some of the other guys; because, he wasn't a priority of the other teams defense to stop. McCabe got a lot of great looks this year. Its pretty nice that Dickerson thinks Atwood will commit, but I'm more concerned what Atwood thinks. He might commit this weekend, but he said he wanted to take other visits. Iowa started to recruit Nzei again this spring so maybe they aren't as confindent of getting Atwood as they were. I just hope they get another great player this spring.

 

[tm3308]

McCabe is a good shooter, but he had trouble hitting the shots in games. He probably got more opportunities than some of the other guys; because, he wasn't a priority of the other teams defense to stop. McCabe got a lot of great looks this year. Its pretty nice that Dickerson thinks Atwood will commit, but I'm more concerned what Atwood thinks. He might commit this weekend, but he said he wanted to take other visits. Iowa started to recruit Nzei again this spring so maybe they aren't as confindent of getting Atwood as they were. I just hope they get another great player this spring.

Calling McCabe a good shooter would be generous, IMO. Streaky, perhaps, but his career FG% was just 40%, which is below average for a guy who spent a good bit of time playing in the paint. Not many teams have the ability to key on four guys at once. They keyed on Marble and White, but after that, teams might focus on stopping one other player, but few could do that effectively.

McCabe got some good looks because he wasn't a priority, but that makes his 39% FG% this year an even bigger red flag. He wasn't Marble, who sometimes had to take tougher shots. He was getting prime looks and didn't hit them. Meanwhile, Basabe, White and Uthoff all shot 50% or better, but only White had more FGA than McCabe. Gesell was in a similar boat, IMO.

 

[kicker22]

McCabe is a good shooter, but he had trouble hitting the shots in games. He probably got more opportunities than some of the other guys; because, he wasn't a priority of the other teams defense to stop. McCabe got a lot of great looks this year. Its pretty nice that Dickerson thinks Atwood will commit, but I'm more concerned what Atwood thinks. He might commit this weekend, but he said he wanted to take other visits. Iowa started to recruit Nzei again this spring so maybe they aren't as confindent of getting Atwood as they were. I just hope they get another great player this spring.

Not bashing McCabe, or your opinion, but I think the complaint that many have about the number of shots he took is directly related to the amount of minutes he played. I'm of the variety that based on his role and the other shooters on the team I would have liked to have seen him take less shots. Again though, that's just me.