Defending Iowa's program

I wonder what it would take to move from the Top-25 program all time status into a consistent Top-10 program status, or if that is even possible? We have seen programs like Oregon and Baylor make that leap (temporarily, at least), but it seems like some corners were cut in the process. Would you say Michigan State has made the leap to a consistent top-10 team, or are they just in an upswing right now?

MSU has only been there recently because Michigan has been a dumpster fire for the better part of the last decade. Once Michigan gets back on track, MSU will fall back to their "mean".

The same is usually true of us and Wisconsin. When we've been pretty consistently good, Wisky has been avg at best. When they've been really good, we've been avg, at best. That's why it's so important after last year that we get a couple of years in a row under our belt so we can take the mantle back from Wisky.
 
I see your points. With regards to Baylor and Oregon, I was trying to say it looked like they had ascended to a constant top-10 level that could be sustained, but since it was revealed that their coaches had been a little shady, they seem to have fallen out of that class.

Regarding MSU, it seems to me that they have elevated themselves above Iowa over the last 5 years. Perhaps it is cyclical, and it will swing back soon (like the Iowa high of the early 2000s)? I was hoping to get others opinions on that, so thanks for providing yours.

Oregon has an excellent run and of the 3 was the closest to showing it can Hold that TOP 10 consistency. This season will challenge that but if they are Top 10 it's how do they bounce back in the next short couple years to show its maintainable.

IMO 98% of Most college programs see elevation and regression that's the beauty of College Football. MSU Will be no different in my view, they will regress and one big reason why will be the due the return to relevance of Michigan. MSU other issue is they face OSU and Michigan every year so it will be much tougher to maintain..
 
Oregon has an excellent run and of the 3 was the closest to showing it can Hold that TOP 10 consistency. This season will challenge that but if they are Top 10 it's how do they bounce back in the next short couple years to show its maintainable.

IMO 98% of Most college programs see elevation and regression that's the beauty of College Football. MSU Will be no different in my view, they will regress and one big reason why will be the due the return to relevance of Michigan. MSU other issue is they face OSU and Michigan every year so it will be much tougher to maintain..

I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that there's so much disparity in the rankings geographically. Rarely will you see that many programs from one conference in the top 10 so generally it should be cyclical as the Big Ten east is not generally going to have all 3 (OSU, Michigan, and MSU) ranked that highly and nor will the Big Ten West, regardless of how well Iowa, Wiscy or Nebby is playing. I think its always going to fluctuate as geographically people don't want to see that many teams bunched together in the top 10.
 
I think it was very difficult for fans to lose to North Dakota because most had been waiting with great expectation all summer for this season to roll around. It appeared that all the ducks were in order for Iowa to make a run for the playoff final four.

A few wins in a row will lesson the pain, but never totally remove it.

This isn't pre-Hayden days anymore as a lot of money has been poured out to put our facilities up to par with all of the other programs who are considered elite. On my other post in the other thread I was being sarcastic about Iowa crappy environment as a state. I guess that's the excuse for people thinking we can't be elite. What other reason is there? We're in one of the best conferences in the NCAA. Our facilities are top notch. Our fan base is among the best. Iowa as a whole is a great place to live. All the pieces are there for Iowa to compete on the B1G stage.

These brain farts by the coaching staff have got to stop. Everyone and their great grand parents could have glanced into the playbook and called better plays during the last two offensive series. The run had not worked the whole game. What the hell was the coaching staff thinking?????

The defensive schemes were just as bad on the opponents last two drives. This simply shouldn't happen with all the experience our coaching staff has. That's what makes it so damn infuriating. We have the better team and we should be undefeated right now and looking forward to conference play with our hopes very high.

I can't explain why our coaches do what they do. I would hate to think it is gumpism "Stupid is as stupid does." I sit here as I type and just shake my head. "Iowa football is like a box of cherries. You never know what your gonna get each game." The only consistency is slow, methodical, repetitious, conservative play calling on both sides of the ball. DAMN I am sick of this playing not to lose mindset. It's a damn game. Open up things and let the players and fan base have fun.

Iowa is a great place to raise a family and if it weren't for promotions at work I would still be living there with my family. There is no reason we can't match what Oklahoma had done. Have any of you been to Oklahoma? The place SUCKS. It don't hold a candle to living in Iowa. Yet, they have been pretty consistent for many years as far as recruiting and rankings. There is no reason we can't be right there with them.

Expectations killed many of us with this loss. We should have expectations. All the pieces are in place for Iowa to be amongst the elite.

I will not apologize for expectations and being pizzed off about this loss. No more brain farts PLEASE!!!!! Yes, I am an Iowa fan and always will be. I grew up not far from Iowa City. I will end my post the only way I can think of, GO HAWKS GO!!!
 
I think it was very difficult for fans to lose to North Dakota because most had been waiting with great expectation all summer for this season to roll around. It appeared that all the ducks were in order for Iowa to make a run for the playoff final four.

A few wins in a row will lesson the pain, but never totally remove it.

This isn't pre-Hayden days anymore as a lot of money has been poured out to put our facilities up to par with all of the other programs who are considered elite. On my other post in the other thread I was being sarcastic about Iowa crappy environment as a state. I guess that's the excuse for people thinking we can't be elite. What other reason is there? We're in one of the best conferences in the NCAA. Our facilities are top notch. Our fan base is among the best. Iowa as a whole is a great place to live. All the pieces are there for Iowa to compete on the B1G stage.

These brain farts by the coaching staff have got to stop. Everyone and their great grand parents could have glanced into the playbook and called better plays during the last two offensive series. The run had not worked the whole game. What the hell was the coaching staff thinking?????

The defensive schemes were just as bad on the opponents last two drives. This simply shouldn't happen with all the experience our coaching staff has. That's what makes it so damn infuriating. We have the better team and we should be undefeated right now and looking forward to conference play with our hopes very high.

I can't explain why our coaches do what they do. I would hate to think it is gumpism "Stupid is as stupid does." I sit here as I type and just shake my head. "Iowa football is like a box of cherries. You never know what your gonna get each game." The only consistency is slow, methodical, repetitious, conservative play calling on both sides of the ball. DAMN I am sick of this playing not to lose mindset. It's a damn game. Open up things and let the players and fan base have fun.

Iowa is a great place to raise a family and if it weren't for promotions at work I would still be living there with my family. There is no reason we can't match what Oklahoma had done. Have any of you been to Oklahoma? The place SUCKS. It don't hold a candle to living in Iowa. Yet, they have been pretty consistent for many years as far as recruiting and rankings. There is no reason we can't be there right with them.

Expectations killed many of us with this loss. We should have expectations. All the pieces are in place for Iowa to be amongst the elite.

I will not apologize for expectations and being pizzed off about this loss. No more brain farts PLEASE!!!!! Yes, I am an Iowa fan and always will be. I grew up not far from Iowa City. I will end my post the only way I can think of, GO HAWKS GO!!!

It's about attitude. Are things a little more difficult at Iowa? Absolutely! There are successes at our level, below, and above. It's about having the resources (we do), a strong strategy, and then execution. I think we are lacking in the latter.

When KF started this program, his plan was A++. He surrounded himself with talent, much like HF. The schemes they had were simple, but innovative at the time. The strategy was hedging the bets that other college teams couldn't execute like an NFL team, and we saw the successes of this strategy from 2001-2004.

We lost a lot of talent near the end of that run. KF was not as good at finding talent to replace though, and we had a falling out. Throw in other factors as severe misses in recruiting, scandals, and the program took time to rebound in 2008-2009. One other consistent was Norm. 2008-2009 had two of the best defenses ever, and those teams were LOADED with NFL talent.

After losing Norm, I think KF went into a deeper shell and we haven't really emerged since. Yes we went 12-0 last year, but most of us were fooled into thinking things were righted by a very, very easy schedule. We haven't won a bowl game since 2010. Hell, we haven't even been competitive in a bowl game since then.

Something still feels off about this program. KF showed signs of making minor adjustments last year, and all of those are gone now. Is it because we don't have the talent to incorporate them again? Did he just use last year as a means to get a new contract and now resting on his laurels?

This game against Rutgers will show us something. They are a team that can run the ball, and we are a team that hasn't shown we can stop it for 4Q's. Rutgers is staffed with guys who know our system very well. Expect Bo Bowers to be busy on Saturday.

If we lose, season is over. If we win, a good season can still be had.
 
I wonder what it would take to move from the Top-25 program all time status into a consistent Top-10 program status, or if that is even possible? We have seen programs like Oregon and Baylor make that leap (temporarily, at least), but it seems like some corners were cut in the process. Would you say Michigan State has made the leap to a consistent top-10 team, or are they just in an upswing right now?
It hasn't happened for 127 years at Iowa, and I don't see it happening in the future. It is very, very difficult to get the truly elite athletes to come to wintry, small, homogeneous Iowa City.
 
You might just trying to be funny, but be careful what you wish for. This isn't Alabama or Ohio State which have tons of $$ and can pretty much recruit themselves. You have to have the right kind of style and personality at Iowa and understand the recruiting limitations and landscape where recruiting locally. It's just not that simple. Yea, Urban Myer or Nick Saban would probably succeed if they came here but would they come, probably not.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.
 
MSU has only been there recently because Michigan has been a dumpster fire for the better part of the last decade. Once Michigan gets back on track, MSU will fall back to their "mean".

The same is usually true of us and Wisconsin. When we've been pretty consistently good, Wisky has been avg at best. When they've been really good, we've been avg, at best. That's why it's so important after last year that we get a couple of years in a row under our belt so we can take the mantle back from Wisky.
That's just it. For schools like an Iowa to climb someone has to drop. When schools like ND, Michigan, PSU, Nebraska and Texas had been down it opened the door for others. For the most part MSU took advantage . I Iowa would have even more so....
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.

But one of the arguments about Boise State and Coach Peterson was that they did it in a non Power 5 team against softer competition. It was always questioned if they could continue that success playing "quality" Power 5 opponents week in and week out.
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.

Perfect example of what an innovative coach would do for Iowa. Chris Petersen would make Iowa a perennial top 10 team. Yes, closer to the West Coast, so he would poach talent and find under-recruited gems from California, but for the most part his talent was similar. Idaho is dreary ass place to live and convince kids to play on quirky, blue frozen field. Peterson did it with incredible fundamentals, innovative schemes and unpredictable plays. He's the antithesis of Ferentz. For the geeks in us: Petersen is Superman to Ferentz's Bizarro.
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.
I agree with this 100%
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.

Completely agree. You have an example of a school that's at a major disadvantage in resources, athletes, and perception.

You bring in a coach who had a clear vision in mind, and he executed it flawlessly. Would Boise St have a worse record if they played in a tougher conference? Maybe. We'll never know. What we do know is that in the chances they had to go against good teams, they won more than they lost.

Let's not act like Iowa over the past few years has had to run against the best of the business. We continually play against a very soft OOC schedule. Throw in the Big10 is pretty top heavy, with the rest of the teams either average or below average and the same reasoning could be thrown that if Iowa played in another major conference would we have gotten better or worse results?

KF set Iowa up like Boise when he got here. He brought in schemes that really maximized the best out of the players. Not many teams were ready for zone blocking in the early 2000. We had assistant coaches who could recruit all over the country, primarily FL and TX. Those same coaches then left for NFL and head coaching positions at other schools, and most of them have been extremely successful.

Over time the game has changed, and teams started to figure out how to scheme against Iowa, and specifically KF conservative tendencies (How can you not remember DanAntonio high-fiving his daughter after ANOTHER fake kick is successful).

Unless KF has NFL talent on the defense, and a playmaker at QB (usually helps at the same time), Iowa is a 7-5 team with his schemes and gameday coaching.

While we could do way worse, the same can be said in that we could do so much better. But since the "Bullies" days, we've changed our motto to "We're just Iowa".

Go back and watch games from 2000-2004, and just look at the demeanor and attitude of KF and the team. Compare it to now, and granted age will slow people down. But we've turned into a team that would absolutely smash your face in, to a team that wants to win, but win respectfully. And if we lose, tip of the hat to you.
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.

Good case point. He's also doing it at Washington now. He actually turned that bus around in pretty short fashion.
 
Iowa would definitely be competitive in the FCS. I think we'd probably go at least .500. Losing to NDSU showed that we aren't going to compete in the FBS though. We essentially lost to Central College.
 
I wasn't trying to be funny. I would point you to Boise State.

Chris Petersen was 92-12 at Boise until he took the Washington job a few years ago. He was 5-2 in bowl games including 2 big time wins in the Fiesta bowl vs Oklahoma and TCU. He had two undefeated seasons and somehow seemed to get enough talent to go to freaking Boise Idaho to be a consistent winner and highly ranked team. He scheduled at least one tough OOC game when he could but most big time teams didn't want to play them; beat Oregon in back to back years and also beat highly ranked Virginia Tech. Played and beat ranked teams in his bowl victories and had a one point loss to TCU in one of his bowl losses.

You don't think Iowa could do better? Boise St did and I think just about anyone would consider Iowa a higher profile, more desirable coaching job than Boise St. You don't need Saban or Meyer to take a step forward. I don't think Kirk is an awful coach but I also don't think he's much better than average.

Kirk Ferentz record at Iowa:

Non Conference: 47 - 21.
Conference: 76 - 60.
Bowl: 6 - 7.
Overall (including 2016): 129 - 88.
Average overall record over 17 seasons (minus 2016): 7.4 - 5.
Average B1G conference record over 17 seasons: 4.4 - 3.5.

Kirk Ferentz at Iowa has a record just above average over 17 seasons.
 
Ferentz beat Saben head to head.
The Chiz beat Ferentz 15-13 once. So let's not get too crazy with coaching comparisons.

Classic overreaction after a loss. We were 12-0 last year. We will be fine this year. I'm not ready to jump off the cliff just yet. But if we lose to Rutgers, yeah I'll freak out.
 
The Chiz beat Ferentz 15-13 once. So let's not get too crazy with coaching comparisons.

Classic overreaction after a loss. We were 12-0 last year. We will be fine this year. I'm not ready to jump off the cliff just yet. But if we lose to Rutgers, yeah I'll freak out.
How many national titles does chizik have??
 
Excellent comments by almost everyone. There's nothing wrong with expecting excellence, and something very seriously wrong when you don't.
 

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