Davis Has to Go

This is the very reason why I am willing to give Brian Ferentz a try at OC. People can poo poo it all they want. If it is BF or someone else KF is likely to bring in....Give me BF all day.

I've thought about that as well, but it leaves me wondering. BF is involved in the strategy right now isn't he? I mean is the offense strictly GD's to command and everyone follows his lead? Does he not listen to anyone else? I guess I'm frustrated because I felt like BF would have stepped up by this point and said flat out "Hey guys we're wayyyy overthinking this. Let me contact some of my connections with the Patriots and let's start trying to mold our offensive scheme after them." I really don't see what there is to argue with. If I'm GD I would be thrilled with that. It's simple. There's tons of tape on New England. Start watching tape and start doing what they do. I thought when BF came to Iowa years ago that this would have been one of the first things he did. He should have brought that expertise with him instead of leaving it in NE and falling in line behind GD and his awful decision making.
 
I agree! Since Brian Ferentz worked with Bill O'Brien in New England, I remember when Bill brought Penn State to Kinnick in 2012, thinking this is what our offense should look like.

They throttled us 38-14 and we scored 14 in the 4th quarter. Penn State had 504 yards of offense.
 
Maybe BF isn't that smart or as good of a coach as we all assume? Notice how nearly all of the AC under Bill at New England never really do well on their own?

All we have to go on with BF is how well our OL plays. And I'd honestly have to grade them a D overall. Run blocking we seem to handle OK, and usually we're stuffed because we're so @##% predictable on down and distance.

But Pass Blocking....our guys still have never figured out how to pick up a blitz.
 
Yep I think it is a two fold problem. We need to get rid of Davis, he is horrible no matter what. But Kirk needs to hire an innovator and then step away. Tell them wants a zone blocking scheme and .... step.....away......

At this point in his career (or anyone's at that age) you'd think he'd know what he's good at...and what he's not. Then you hire top talent to fill in your weaknesses. (in this case, a sharp offensive coordinator who would make a good HC some day).

But KFz is too stubborn to admit his own weaknesses.
 
I heard a story in a podcast where he came into Kirks office and told him he was taking the Nebraska job. Then asked if he could coach the bowl game. Kirk was mad as hell and said no. Can't remember who said it, maybe the huddle cast with Tate. If true, he wasn't fired.

I think your right it was Tate in the Huddlecast. That was the same podcast where they talked about how he was always on Klug.
 
Tate, Narinskiy, and Albert Young talk about Davis in their latest podcast. It sounded like they liked Davis's play calling in the Wisconsin game, but felt Iowa didn't have the athletes for the calls.
 
Tate, Narinskiy, and Albert Young talk about Davis in their latest podcast. It sounded like they liked Davis's play calling in the Wisconsin game, but felt Iowa didn't have the athletes for the calls.

He is a great OC. Everyone knows great OCs don't adjust their playcalling for the talent they have. Why are people still debating!!! 5-3 makes us better than ISU. That's all that matters! Sheesh!:mad:

Oh, and that most important part to demonstrate my superior football knowledge - LOL
 
He is a great OC. Everyone knows great OCs don't adjust their playcalling for the talent they have. Why are people still debating!!! 5-3 makes us better than ISU. That's all that matters! Sheesh!:mad:

Oh, and that most important part to demonstrate my superior football knowledge - LOL

If it's the wrong play calling for the guys you have on the field...then it's the wrong play calling, period.
 
Hawk Central's Chad L. has a pretty critical article on Davis. First one I have really seen in the Iowa media.
 
It will come as no surprise that we can conclude that Davis's offensive scheme is a dumpster fire. It did not work the first year he was here and although last year the offense was ok, just ok, it is back to a disaster in 2016. We spent a lot of effort, in re: recruiting classes, using spots to add skilled receivers, at the expense of some offensive and defensive line recruits. As to all of those receivers, some are riding the bench, some have transferred or quit the team, and virtually none of them have progressed to become real threats. The best we have had was a 2 star long shot from rural South Dakota, and yes, he is a good one. Whether these were recruiting errors or lack of good coaching (see, developmental program claim), or due to the scheme we use, is hard to figure...probably a combination. But, it comes back to the coaching staff.

The result is a clear lack of depth and questionable talent in the offensive and defensive lines, and one of the worst passing attacks in Division 1 football. This with a second team all BT QB, a senior, and a guy that looks almost nothing like the guy he was a year ago. Again, coaching? Who knows. But much of the blame has to go to a below average offensive line giving up too many sacks, not producing a consistent run game, and the resultant neutralization of the play action theory.

I am certainly no expert. Just a fan who really follows the game, does a lot of reading to keep up with football, has played at the college level and coached at a large high school. The Iowa coaching staff far surpasses my level of knowledge. At the same time, I am not blind. Our routes in the passing game make little sense, have almost no diversity, do not make use of some very basic theories on patterns, and our run game seems to lack imagination. Take a look at our most recent outing against a team that is essentially built the same way Iowa is. The difference: Paul Chryst is a very imaginative offensive coordinator, but runs a fairly conservative pro style offense. I would love to have him at Iowa.

Sometimes, even if you have good knowledgeable people coaching your offense, it just makes sense to make some dramatic changes when things have not gone well over an extended period of time. That would be us. And, you do not have to remind me that the head coach is still the lead dog.

BTW, take a look at the on going success of the Wisconsin defense, an aggressive, attacking, theme. Can we continue to run the "bend not break" D in the day and age when teams are scoring so many more points with wide open offenses? And, they score fast removing some of the effectiveness of the B not B.

Sorry to go on so long. I have almost never been critical of our coaches. Guess I just got fed up on Saturday.
The problem is not Davis..Its Ferentz. Davis is running what Ferentz wants. Ferentz entire philosphy is to play a tight game and hope the other team screws up and hands you the game. Davis is the current whipping boy.. Okeefe used to take the abuse. Whoever the OC is..we'll see the same offense untill Ferentz retires.
 
The problem is not Davis..Its Ferentz. Davis is running what Ferentz wants. Ferentz entire philosphy is to play a tight game and hope the other team screws up and hands you the game. Davis is the current whipping boy.. Okeefe used to take the abuse. Whoever the OC is..we'll see the same offense untill Ferentz retires.

I tend to disagree with this. With KOK we saw a LOT of blind bootleg option passes.. usually around a half-dozen or more per game. How many have we run this year, or any year under GD? We also saw a lot of tight end seam routes under KOK; how many under GD? We rarely saw trips-wide with KOK, if at all, and almost NEVER saw a bubble screen to the wideouts. We also saw a lot more play action under KOK. We don't see it near as much under GD, mainly because he runs more shotgun.

It all worked better with KOK because we had a cohesive offensive plan - decent running game with play-action passes and seam routes. With GD we seem to have less integration of the run game with the pass game; they seem to be two separate entities.
 
I tend to disagree with this. With KOK we saw a LOT of blind bootleg option passes.. usually around a half-dozen or more per game. How many have we run this year, or any year under GD? We also saw a lot of tight end seam routes under KOK; how many under GD? We rarely saw trips-wide with KOK, if at all, and almost NEVER saw a bubble screen to the wideouts. We also saw a lot more play action under KOK. We don't see it near as much under GD, mainly because he runs more shotgun.

It all worked better with KOK because we had a cohesive offensive plan - decent running game with play-action passes and seam routes. With GD we seem to have less integration of the run game with the pass game; they seem to be two separate entities.

Good points, but KFz is still the limiting factor. Perhaps moreso now as he has even less imagination and sense of aggressiveness than ever. And getting a good OC was tougher in 2012 than in 1998 as Kirk's M.O. is known.

Look at O'Keefe's offensive stats before coming to Iowa, and you'll see that KFz reigned him in quite a bit.
 
I tend to disagree with this. With KOK we saw a LOT of blind bootleg option passes.. usually around a half-dozen or more per game. How many have we run this year, or any year under GD? We also saw a lot of tight end seam routes under KOK; how many under GD? We rarely saw trips-wide with KOK, if at all, and almost NEVER saw a bubble screen to the wideouts. We also saw a lot more play action under KOK. We don't see it near as much under GD, mainly because he runs more shotgun.

It all worked better with KOK because we had a cohesive offensive plan - decent running game with play-action passes and seam routes. With GD we seem to have less integration of the run game with the pass game; they seem to be two separate entities.
Iowa used to run a bubble screen quite often with Ed Hinkle..
 
I tend to disagree with this. With KOK we saw a LOT of blind bootleg option passes.. usually around a half-dozen or more per game. How many have we run this year, or any year under GD? We also saw a lot of tight end seam routes under KOK; how many under GD? We rarely saw trips-wide with KOK, if at all, and almost NEVER saw a bubble screen to the wideouts. We also saw a lot more play action under KOK. We don't see it near as much under GD, mainly because he runs more shotgun.

It all worked better with KOK because we had a cohesive offensive plan - decent running game with play-action passes and seam routes. With GD we seem to have less integration of the run game with the pass game; they seem to be two separate entities.

You are forgetting a couple of things. 1 - KF and KOK parted ways. KF hired who he wanted. 2 - KFs great years had teams loaded with talent. This team has some talented players. It is not loaded. The trend seems lower. GD has nothing to do with the defensive side of the ball.
 
You are forgetting a couple of things. 1 - KF and KOK parted ways. KF hired who he wanted. 2 - KFs great years had teams loaded with talent. This team has some talented players. It is not loaded. The trend seems lower. GD has nothing to do with the defensive side of the ball.

Davis isn't the Defensive coordinator, but his offense going 3-7 and out and not flipping field position has Plenty to do with the defensive side of the ball.

KF's best team were never "loaded with talent"? Yes, we had great players and strong position groups...great Off and Def Lines and a few year of awesome LB corps....and of course the Bob Sanders / Dallas Clark's / Shonn Greene's of the world. But Iowa has rarely, if ever, been "Loaded" with talent at more than 2-3 positions at any given time. Now, if you want to say that is KF's fault for not recruiting better, that's fine, no argument. But don't say '02,'03, '04, '09, '15 were loaded with talent, they weren't. We had absolute studs at key positions(expecially on Defense), yes, but not loaded. '10 was probably overall our most talented team on both sides of the ball....ugh....well.

This current team has talent, but the lower end of the position talent is worse than in the past, and we have less depth.

Davis needs to go. Whether KF is the ultimate problem has been made irrelevant by an gold laden contract, so drop that crap, it's done barring absolute bottom dropping out which quite frankly i don't want to see.

KOK was lightyears better within the KF framework, and so would 100's of others.

Davis needs to go.
 
Davis isn't the Defensive coordinator, but his offense going 3-7 and out and not flipping field position has Plenty to do with the defensive side of the ball.

KF's best team were never "loaded with talent"? Yes, we had great players and strong position groups...great Off and Def Lines and a few year of awesome LB corps....and of course the Bob Sanders / Dallas Clark's / Shonn Greene's of the world. But Iowa has rarely, if ever, been "Loaded" with talent at more than 2-3 positions at any given time. Now, if you want to say that is KF's fault for not recruiting better, that's fine, no argument. But don't say '02,'03, '04, '09, '15 were loaded with talent, they weren't. We had absolute studs at key positions(expecially on Defense), yes, but not loaded. '10 was probably overall our most talented team on both sides of the ball....ugh....well.

This current team has talent, but the lower end of the position talent is worse than in the past, and we have less depth.

Davis needs to go. Whether KF is the ultimate problem has been made irrelevant by an gold laden contract, so drop that crap, it's done barring absolute bottom dropping out which quite frankly i don't want to see.

KOK was lightyears better within the KF framework, and so would 100's of others.

Davis needs to go.

They all need to go...won't happen.
 
Davis isn't the Defensive coordinator, but his offense going 3-7 and out and not flipping field position has Plenty to do with the defensive side of the ball.

KF's best team were never "loaded with talent"? Yes, we had great players and strong position groups...great Off and Def Lines and a few year of awesome LB corps....and of course the Bob Sanders / Dallas Clark's / Shonn Greene's of the world. But Iowa has rarely, if ever, been "Loaded" with talent at more than 2-3 positions at any given time. Now, if you want to say that is KF's fault for not recruiting better, that's fine, no argument. But don't say '02,'03, '04, '09, '15 were loaded with talent, they weren't. We had absolute studs at key positions(expecially on Defense), yes, but not loaded. '10 was probably overall our most talented team on both sides of the ball....ugh....well.

This current team has talent, but the lower end of the position talent is worse than in the past, and we have less depth.

Davis needs to go. Whether KF is the ultimate problem has been made irrelevant by an gold laden contract, so drop that crap, it's done barring absolute bottom dropping out which quite frankly i don't want to see.

KOK was lightyears better within the KF framework, and so would 100's of others.

Davis needs to go.

I'd say the '02 and '09 teams were about as loaded with talent as we'll ever get (not including 1985 which had 3 offensive players go in the 1st round of the NFL draft).. I think every player but maybe one on the 2009 defense made the NFL in some capacity. I agree GD should retire. KOK was better than GD but there's no reason we can't find a guy better than both. I don't think it should be BF either. KF and BF are both OL guys so we have to have a QB guy as an OC to compliment that, imo.
 
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