I can't see him wanting to come back either can he? It just made too much sense that this season with a senior qb would be his last. It sure hasn't gone the way he or anyone would have liked but for him to want to come back with a true sophomore qb with question marks at receiver while more than likely mixing in more new guys all over (Vandeberg should be back though) just seems like a challenge he wouldn't want to tackle. I mean unless it's a financial thing or he's just dead set on coaching forever till he's kicked out I can't see him wanting another go of it. Our expectations for next year won't be very high either. So I don't think it'll come down to KF firing him he'll probably just want to call it a career and not put KF in the position to have to force him out
Davis Has to Go
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DP5555
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I agree 100%. Time for the GD experiment to be put to rest. He showed signs of life last year, but this picture has been painted. His system doesn't work with the type of players Iowa gets.
I've been wondering this forever, but why in the hell doesn't Iowa just copy the New England Patriots playbook? Just run exactly what they run. They have coaching connections with NE. I don't care if it's play for play from the previous week's games. Run it. I realize they have Tom Brady and Iowa doesn't, but their offensive philosophy is exactly what Iowa needs. It fits the Hawkeye's personnel to a T. Run the ball. Utilize your TE's. Get your WR's open through scheme, motions, and creativity. New England hasn't had an elite prototypical WR since Randy Moss and they consistently win because they are creative in their approach. They don't need elite talent at WR. They make it work with short quick little guys at wideout, and stud TE's.
I've been wondering this forever, but why in the hell doesn't Iowa just copy the New England Patriots playbook? Just run exactly what they run. They have coaching connections with NE. I don't care if it's play for play from the previous week's games. Run it. I realize they have Tom Brady and Iowa doesn't, but their offensive philosophy is exactly what Iowa needs. It fits the Hawkeye's personnel to a T. Run the ball. Utilize your TE's. Get your WR's open through scheme, motions, and creativity. New England hasn't had an elite prototypical WR since Randy Moss and they consistently win because they are creative in their approach. They don't need elite talent at WR. They make it work with short quick little guys at wideout, and stud TE's.
Joshbrown
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IMO it's gonna take innovation. When Fry came into the conference it was 3 yards and a cloud of dust. He changed that. He didn't just have a profound affect on the Univ of Iowa. He changed the entire conference. In the 70s only 2 teams won the crown. In the 80s things became more egalitarian.
Anyway, unless Kirk opts for innovation/creativity/unpredictibility we'll be arguing the same things for the next 10 years.
Anyway, unless Kirk opts for innovation/creativity/unpredictibility we'll be arguing the same things for the next 10 years.
I heard a story in a podcast where he came into Kirks office and told him he was taking the Nebraska job. Then asked if he could coach the bowl game. Kirk was mad as hell and said no. Can't remember who said it, maybe the huddle cast with Tate. If true, he wasn't fired.
Joshbrown
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Didn't Soup have some record-setting WRs? What was the story on him leaving?
kicker22
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I think our offense has been stuffed into a bunker.
I honestly don't think Kirk knows that aspect of football. From the sounds of it, practice is more about fundimentals and individual technique than about learning creative plays. It develops a lot of NFL players but makes for boring Saturdays. That's why I was really hoping Kirk would hire a good OC a few years ago. Someone who could impliment all the things Kirk doesn't understand. Instead we got Davis.
DBAHawkFan
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Rumor was that he and Davis did not see eye to eye with the role of the WR in this offense.
I remember before Soup got here all our complaints were about how our WR couldn't catch a freaking pass. DJK, Davis, and others I remember seeming to struggle with the simple catches.
Soup gets here, and I felt our WR became so much better with the drops. Yes, they still happened, and they always will, but I recall it being DRAMATICALLY better.
And now that he's gone, our WR production sucks, and the drops are back again.
Davis needs to go just for the reason of this stupid read/option with the WR. It's just doesn't work. Production is so bad in our passing game since he's been here. It shouldn't take players four years to figure out this system.
Go back to traditional offense with canned routes, and hot reads for blitz pick ups. Opposing defenses have figured us out in both aspects of the game, but they are now playing inside coverage which forces our WR to ALWAYS take the out route.
And don't get me started on the plays where it seems we have 5 WR out there, and 4 are decoys. What a waste
GrandpaHawk
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The offense is going backwards,numbers don't lie. We can beat mediocre teams with this offense but that's all.Its a shame that the coaches haven't figured out that we have plenty of talent but we need more creative plays.These coaches aren't good at changing a game plan on the fly,they stick to there set of plays for that game and stay with it regardless of the outcome.
DBAHawkFan
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I agree with this. Kirk is a teacher. Makes sense since he's an OL coach, and fundamentals and technique are really what a position coach does. I think in the early years he allowed more input from his assistants, but now has complete control over every aspect and we've suffered for many years because of it.
This was part of the theory behind the myth that we always get better as the year goes on. We keep working on the basics, while other teams focus on scheme for the upcoming opponent.
It just makes so much sense as to why we always have the same plan game after game. We don't attack other teams weaknesses, or stay away from their strengths. We just do what we practice and expect it to work
Joshbrown
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Thanks for the feedback. I just remember being happy we picked up a Michigan assistant (rather than a coe college assistant) when Soup came aboard. I never knew if he left for greener pastures or was made to feel unwelcome. As far as Davis, I was hopeful with his Texas connection that he would help us in two ways. Of course I was aware of how the Texas fans felt so it was my homerism that blinded me to reality. And I've come to accept that whoever replaces him won't inspire fear in our rivals.
BigD
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Knight78
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Being a former high school coach, if you don't go over the fundamentals EVERY DAY, they will be lost. We do not have the athletes to be able to ignore the fundamentals. When I was in college basketball, playing for the legendary Buzz Levick, we spent about 20 minutes every day going over our offense; most of practice was on individual fundamentals and integrating those fundamentals into a team defensive scheme. Games were easy compared to practices.
To reiterate, there is a LOT more to coaching that just tossing out the ball and saying "Let's scrimmage". Fundamentals have to be gone over every day. The higher the level, the more the fundamentals matter.
Of course you do. I'm just saying Kirk is more than likely at the extreme end of the spectrum with how much time he spends on fundamentals and how little he spends on scheming. It makes sense on both fronts. Players get drafted because of their fundamentals and our schemes suck. I'm not even saying it's wrong he's doing it. I'm just saying it makes for boring games on Saturdays.
trj
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This is the very reason why I am willing to give Brian Ferentz a try at OC. People can poo poo it all they want. If it is BF or someone else KF is likely to bring in....Give me BF all day.
DBAHawkFan
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Promoting his son to OC could open a bigger can of worms than ever with this program.
Let's just assume the offense still sucks (which means it's KF, not the OC). You think KF or Barta gonna fire Brian??
Not a chance.
Let's just assume the offense still sucks (which means it's KF, not the OC). You think KF or Barta gonna fire Brian??
Not a chance.
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DDThompson
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Couple of things dead on (1) Davis' scheme is a dumpster fire. Especially when, like you said, compared this past week to (2) Chryst's imaginative offensive plays from a basic pro-style offense. I was impressed with Wisky.
Now where you're dead wrong:
(1) that was not too long and
(2) Iowa's coaching staff's knowledge does not far surpass your level when some basic theories of route patterns and lack of imagination in the run game are not used.
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DDThompson
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It will put pressure and leverage to succeed or move on. I'm all for putting leverage the other way for a change.
"poop or get off the pot."
