corner fade route

austinhawk

austinhawk

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I'll say it. The corner fade route has to be one of the most over-called, least effective pass plays in the book. VB was able to have a field day against Louisiana Monroe, because they sucked! The odds of any team not knowing we like to throw the red zone corner fade are low. From here on out, we will not surprise anyone with it. I hope we have some other pass plays in the book. I would bet money that we will try a fade corner route the VERY first time we are close to the end zone. You know Penn State has been practicing this coverage all week long. I hope we don't settle for a lot of field goals Saturday!
 






You can know it's coming and not stop it. It's all about execution of the offenses part. When you have height mis-matches which Iowa will have against every D they see. It's a matter of the WR getting position and qb putting it on the spot. One of the toughest throw and catches there is and hardest to defend against. There is no argument to be had against that.
 


Either throw it up to McNutt/Davis and let them get it or do a quick back shoulder pass to get the defender looking up. They work, just have to be able to make the accurate throw.
 


I think you underestimate the Jump/Catch abilities of our 2 outside recievers. Especially with a quarterback throwing to them with a pro style arm!
 


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McNutt has shown the ability to complete this play a lot. It's a play that requires a tall receiver to out jump the defender, something Marvin does very well. It worked against Ohio State in 2009 with Vandenberg throwing the ball. Also just watched Calvin Johnson in the NFL make this play to win the game.
 


schatz247 said:
You can know it's coming and not stop it. It's all about execution of the offenses part. When you have height mis-matches which Iowa will have against every D they see. It's a matter of the WR getting position and qb putting it on the spot. One of the toughest throw and catches there is and hardest to defend against. There is no argument to be had against that.
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When you have the right matchup + a QB that can throw it = probably the least intercepted route in football.
 


You might want to check some archived highlights because MMcN has been abusing all levels of opponents with it for 2 years. Tony M also had plenty of success with it.

It's extremely effective when you have a physical advantage (height and athleticism, which both of above possess) and a QB who can let it hang then drop with about 3 yards of corner left for the receiver to make a play and stay in bounds (which Vandy has shown he is consistently capable of doing).

The other benefits are:
-- It avoids the congestion of the red-zone. There's all kinds of "straight-line" throws but a lot higher risk of the pass being defended or picked by LB's and CB's without having to cover as much real estate. The fade puts the ball in a one-on-one situation, ideally where only the receiver can go get it. Yes the receiver still has to make the play but the risk of virtually zero turnover vs the reward of 6 points make it as smart a play as any in the red-zone.
-- Because it isolates the CB and creates a jump-ball scenario, it can often result in defensive holding / pass interference, which, by rule, puts the ball on the 2.

It's a great play call from the 25 to the 10 for all the reasons above. Any closer to the end zone and it's just too crowded / not enough room to execute with consistent effectiveness.

I hope we try it with Marvin / Keenan all day long. You might recognize it from film study but it doesn't make it any easier to defend, especially with as well as Iowa has executed it to date!
 


If the defense lines up with a man on an island with McNutt or Davis, it's a good bet you will see this many times in the red zone. If the ball is thrown properly, it only gives our guy a chance to catch it. You need a tall athletic receiver with speed and good hands. Hmmm...seen any of those?

get used to it, although it's not the highest percentage play in the passing game...it's a great shot at six if you have the right matchup and defensive call.
 




I actually think this play is not called enough in the red-zone, especially last season. Most corners will not win 1 on 1 against McNutt or Davis.
 


it's not just the corner fade route, it's the entire back shoulder pass strategy
it's almost indefensible; the guys on espn did a segment on it over the weekend, and dissected why the back shoulder pass is so deadly
 


schatz247 said:
You can know it's coming and not stop it. It's all about execution of the offenses part. When you have height mis-matches which Iowa will have against every D they see. It's a matter of the WR getting position and qb putting it on the spot. One of the toughest throw and catches there is and hardest to defend against. There is no argument to be had against that.
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Thats right, I would only add if the receiver slows his running and the defender runs into them, it's almost always PI, if done correctly you are right it's almost imposssible to defend, either the catch is made or the defender draws a flag.

Edit, I see someone else pointed this out
 






schatz247 said:
You can know it's coming and not stop it. It's all about execution of the offenses part. When you have height mis-matches which Iowa will have against every D they see. It's a matter of the WR getting position and qb putting it on the spot. One of the toughest throw and catches there is and hardest to defend against. There is no argument to be had against that.
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+1
 




Wow, OP could possibly be more wrong.

With an accurate QB (Vandy's strong suit), and tall, athletic receivers that can jump (see McNutt and Keenan), the fade route on the goalline is virtually unstoppable.

But yeah, let's just scrap one of our deadliest scoring options because this clown is tired of seeing it.
 


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