Conservative football doesnt equal wins

OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
On the BT Media day they flashed a stat that was very telling.

Turnover margins

NW +14
Iowa +12

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Classic. You are using the years total, not a game by game look at TO. Crack open that fortune cookie and take a look. Yearly totals don't tell the tail. For instance Iowa was only 3-4 when they won the TO battle. Iowa was 1-1 when they tied in the TO battle, and they were 0-3 when they lost the TO battle.

It is a pretty clear winning the TO battle in games leads to wins. Iowa didn't have much of a chance at all to win a game if they lost the TO battle (0-3) They at least had a punchers chance in the games they won or tied the TO battle 4-5 (4 of the 5 losses were by 3 pts or less)
 
I said it doesnt equal wins.....not that you cant win being conservative. I think its very telling that Iowa was +12 and won 4 games. It means that holding on to the ball soo much because you are scared of the thought of a turnover doesnt work.
 
FreedComanche said:
So, you can be very conservative (like kf) and win when you got superior talent. When you don't have superior talent, you often times lose when you coach conservatively.

But you already knew that.

FreedComanche
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The original statement made was that "conservative football doesn't equal wins." The original statement was wrong. Conservative football equals wins when you have good players, like most kinds of football.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
I said it doesnt equal wins.....not that you cant win being conservative. I think its very telling that Iowa was +12 and won 4 games. It means that holding on to the ball soo much because you are scared of the thought of a turnover doesnt work.
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Lol..........even if you hate Ooth, you gotta laugh at that one.

FreedComanche
 
Are you guys REALLY arguing that the turn over margin doesnt effect your chances of winning ? REALLY ??
 
deanvogs said:
Classic. You are using the years total, not a game by game look at TO. Crack open that fortune cookie and take a look. Yearly totals don't tell the tail. For instance Iowa was only 3-4 when they won the TO battle. Iowa was 1-1 when they tied in the TO battle, and they were 0-3 when they lost the TO battle.

It is a pretty clear winning the TO battle in games leads to wins. Iowa didn't have much of a chance at all to win a game if they lost the TO battle (0-3) They at least had a punchers chance in the games they won or tied the TO battle 4-5 (4 of the 5 losses were by 3 pts or less)
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Punchers chance? Kirk? When was kirk throwing any punches?
 
Look for the playbook to open up more in year two of GD. Watched him at TX and he was not as conservative.
 
Those stats are deceiving. But it is amazing that NU (the original, not UNL) forced 29 turnovers. But irregardless, the stats are deceiving because Iowa's offense had a ton of 3 and outs or very short drives behind the leadership of Greg Davis. Heck, a 3 and out is almost as bad as a turnover and I don't want to see where Iowa ranked in those. Anyways, Iowa's offense had relatively few opportunities to turn the rock over and Iowa's defense had a LOT of plays on which to try to force turnovers. You put a standard O'Keefe offense in place and give it a +12 TO margin on the season and you've got a 7 or 8 win ballclub.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Punchers chance? Kirk? When was kirk throwing any punches?
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Yeah, I doubt he'd stand his ground if attacked. He'd play the percentages on how fast the police would arrive.

This is a hopeless cause, though, Ooth. I would say at least 75% of the hawk fan base still respects him as a coach and want him as coach no matter what. This will change, but that's where it stands now. You can't say stuff like you did above until the end of this season.

FreedComanche
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
It sure does when you play against Kirk.
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I didn't say it can't win. Inferior talent can win but the majority of the time the team with the most talent wins. What do all good Iowa teams have in common? Talent. What have bad teams at Iowa had? A lack of talent. What has stayed consistent? Conservative Kirk.
 
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