Conservative football doesnt equal wins

ShadasRevenge said:
The stat - the way you presented it - doesn't mean anything without any context to it. For instance, what Iowa did with those 12 extra possessions would be interesting. Or maybe how many 3-and-outs Iowa had last year, which would possibly give a casual reader a better picture.

It's kind of like your signature. Never mind that Iowa didn't have many passes beyond 10 yards last year, let alone 13, and never mind that at that point of the game, the offense was moving right into the teeth of a 30 MPH wind.
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No that stat saids plenty. It shows that Iowa needs to take more chances. It shows that winning teams were in the negative. It shows that crappy teams were in the plus.

Ya know what else my sig doesnt say? That kirk and gd burned a TO right before that punt. How many times have you seen an Iowa offense run on 3rd and long? A lot. that would have been a fine time to run the ball. You have just as much chance catching a pass as you do landing a punt where you want it in that wind.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Lets compare RichRod to Kirk they both didnt have the players to run their offense. Kirks been here for how many years?

So an offense that takes no chances and has a lot of 3 n outs is good for whose defense?

Are you trying to tell me that Kirks conservative offense has been helping Iowas defense?
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RichRod didn't have the players to run his offense?! I guess Denard Robinson should have gone to Iowa or Wisconsin?
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
No that stat saids plenty. It shows that Iowa needs to take more chances. It shows that winning teams were in the negative. It shows that crappy teams were in the plus.

Ya know what else my sig doesnt say? That kirk and gd burned a TO right before that punt. How many times have you seen an Iowa offense run on 3rd and long? A lot. that would have been a fine time to run the ball. You have just as much chance catching a pass as you do landing a punt where you want it in that wind.
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Except your sig says it was 4th down, and running on 4th and 13 usually isn't a high percentage move.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Except your sig says it was 4th down, and running on 4th and 13 usually isn't a high percentage move.
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They have run on third and long many times which would be similar to running on 4th and 13 when the wind is blowing and they dont want to pass and there is no point in punting out of bounds.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
They have run on third and long many times which would be similar to running on 4th and 13 when the wind is blowing and they dont want to pass and there is no point in punting out of bounds.
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Just so I understand you correctly, you're saying you'd rather have Kirk run it on 4th and 13 than punt?
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Suppose your hypothetical running play results in a fumble that Nebraska recovers. Is that still the right move?
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Yeah because them getting the ball on their 35 instead of their 20 is so huge. You must be kirk why you so scared to play football? YOu could fumble, throw an int, see your shadow, the QBS head could fall off or maybe something worse that we dont even know about it. Man how do other football teams even play with all this risk out there.
 
You're much better off to fumble on a running play then on a punt. That's about a 10 yard difference in field position. Don't even get me started on how bad a blocked punt would be.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Or the punt could be blocked or a fumble on that .....better just call it a season.
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Or said fumble could be returned for a touchdown. The overall point I'm trying to make is that there is a myriad of possibilities for any given play. In this instance, Kirk bet that Wienke wouldn't get it into the end zone because of the stiff breeze. He was wrong.
 
"Conservative football doesn't equal wins". So you really think Iowa has the talent to be an explosive offense? To take chances when the team is made up of freshmen and sophomores? And what would be the reference point? Ohio State, Michigan? USC? Wisconsin or Nebraska with their 320 pound offensive lines? Teams that have four star player sitting on the bench? These teams have kids on the bench that would be stars at Iowa.

Iowa football is what it is. Iowa doesn't have a 320 pound line, they don't have 4.2 speedsters. What Iowa does is take a lot of kids that aren't necessarily the best and get the best they can out of them. If you really watch a lot of the top teams you would surprised at how conservative they are. Iowa (kirk) is probably about average on a conservative to wild scale. Maybe slightly to the conservative side. But totally conservative? The top team don't always go for it on the goal line or on fourth down. They punt when they need too. There are out of character plays they may try once a season and some that they try once a game. Iowa does what it does with what it has.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
"Conservative football doesn't equal wins". So you really think Iowa has the talent to be an explosive offense? To take chances when the team is made up of freshmen and sophomores? And what would be the reference point? Ohio State, Michigan? USC? Wisconsin or Nebraska with their 320 pound offensive lines? Teams that have four star player sitting on the bench? These teams have kids on the bench that would be stars at Iowa.

Iowa football is what it is. Iowa doesn't have a 320 pound line, they don't have 4.2 speedsters. What Iowa does is take a lot of kids that aren't necessarily the best and get the best they can out of them. If you really watch a lot of the top teams you would surprised at how conservative they are. Iowa (kirk) is probably about average on a conservative to wild scale. Maybe slightly to the conservative side. But totally conservative? The top team don't always go for it on the goal line or on fourth down. They punt when they need too. There are out of character plays they may try once a season and some that they try once a game. Iowa does what it does with what it has.
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Speaking of that, it seems to me that over the last couple of years, Kirk has gone for it on 4th down much more often than in the past. Maybe it's just me.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Speaking of that, it seems to me that over the last couple of years, Kirk has gone for it on 4th down much more often than in the past. Maybe it's just me.
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I think he has also.

The reality is the outcome of the play call determines if it was a good call or not....if Wisky goes for that fake punt, and doesn't convert it, Belima is a fool for doing that, and the Wisky fan based would have screamed there was plenty of time left, or why fake punt, why not just go for it with a regular play. Same goes for KF, if he punts, and they turn it over deep in their territory, then KF is a genius for playing to the wind conditions, and his Defense.
 
"Speaking of that, it seems to me that over the last couple of years, Kirk has gone for it on 4th down much more often than in the past. Maybe it's just me."

I think there is a tendency to take risks when you have a situation like Iowa is in. Sometimes it's just desperation, other times it's "nothing else has worked and we need this".
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Speaking of that, it seems to me that over the last couple of years, Kirk has gone for it on 4th down much more often than in the past. Maybe it's just me

Kirk is afraid of the unknown. Now that hurrying to the line of scrimmage to quick snap the ball and do a qb sneak isn't an unknown anymore, he does it every single time. And I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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PCHawk said:
ShadasRevenge said:
Speaking of that, it seems to me that over the last couple of years, Kirk has gone for it on 4th down much more often than in the past. Maybe it's just me

Kirk is afraid of the unknown. Now that hurrying to the line of scrimmage to quick snap the ball and do a qb sneak isn't an unknown anymore, he does it every single time. And I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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Even more entertaining is when they methodically saunter up on 4th down and try to draw the other team off. Duh. Everybody sees it coming. For that to work...you have to line up quickly and catch the other team unprepared. They're not going to jump given time to communicate with each other.
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What's this talk of conservative football? They're going to implement a hurry-up offense either largely or exclusively. They're going to a spread attack passing game, they are at least starting to run some zone-read. The offensive implosion last year was largely caused by implementing all that with a WR coach who couldn't teach it, a starting QB who was completely unaccustomed to it. Couple that with AIRBGH, a lack of WR talent, and some critical injuries on the OL and voila...you have a meltdown. You can win conservatively, obviously, and it's not Alabama that;s doing it. Upstart teams like Vanderbilt are remaking their program by running a pro-style offense. They went from dead last in the SEC and 113th in the country in scoring offense to 61st and 55th in scoring offense in Franklin's first two years as HC. Stanford....yeah. Obviously changing up the offensive scheme was needed. It was too much of the same damn thing, but conservative can win. I don't know if this new offense will be successful or not but let's not judge based on one ugly transition year. The idea of getting WR's(the worst aspect of Ferntz's recruiting) into space and not relying on them to create separation running traditional routes is a good one. Let's focus on our traditional strengths running the ball with that OL, and throwing to the TE and worry about the wide receivers a smaller fraction of the time. Frankly, I'm more worried about the defense relative to it's traditional strengths under Ferentz. We need that to step up. Especially the pass rush and safety play.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
PCHawk said:
Even more entertaining is when they methodically saunter up on 4th down and try to draw the other team off. Duh. Everybody sees it coming. For that to work...you have to line up quickly and catch the other team unprepared. They're not going to jump given time to communicate with each other.
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Ha. If they would hurry to the line and act like they were gunna quick snap it, it would probably work.
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